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LONG: Bootlegging DVDs? JACKPOT???

Discussion in 'DVD±R for advanced users' started by ls3mach, Oct 18, 2004.

  1. ls3mach

    ls3mach Member

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    Admins please read this before closing the thread, the title is somewhat misleading.

    I am a manager at a grocery store. Before I was the store manager I was the video department manager. I still do the order for the department and oversee a few things. My boss, the general manager, showed me a DVD that one of our customers had brought in. The customer was offered a job selling the DVDs to a specified area. He would be selling them to us for $10 each, this is substantially cheaper than our current dealer. I looked the DVD over and my first thought was bootleg. It had what I thought to be tell-tell signs of this. I used to backup my own DVDs so I knew the procedure and some things to look for. The first thing I spotted was, while looking at the DVD from the bottom, data side, the innermost ring was clear and you could see the paper backing of the label. I know that when I stamped my DVDs you could see the paper ring as well. The next thing I looked for was a texture on top. When I stamped my own labels, you could feel the elevation change. This was non-existent on these movies. I also noticed that the dye was not purple, the bottom of the disk were silver, just like a manufactored DVD. The artwork on the case also varied from the ones that we had order, this I thought was no big deal. The inner insert is not in any of the DVDs. The jewel cases are also different than the ones we got from our distributor, even though the movies were the same, I thought that this was nothing major just a different batch. All of the DVDs say DVD9, I know this to mean Dual Layer, or 9.4GB. When I used to burn my collection, I would have to compress my DVD9 movies to fit onto my DVD5 disk.

    I had my boss call the guy so I could ask him some questions, he arrived and assured me they were legitimate. He was told that the cops had taken some and inspected them and agreed they were real. I was a non-believer. I asked him to bring me a couple to inspect on my PC.

    He came back later with 2 different DVDs. Monster and The Passion of the Christ. Neither of these had the internal insert, both had different artwork on the cases and the disk, both said DVD9 and DTS, both have Thai and Malay subtitles. He claimed that these disk were called "World Disk" and that the same manufactorer made them. I told him I would take them home and inspect them and bring them back. He let me borrow them, since he is meeting with the people tomorrow and wanted to have some questions ready for them. The one thing that really bothers me though, is the caption on the back of Monster says "Absolutely Hilarious".

    I got home and compared the disk to originals. Things that vex me. I will only go over The Passion of the Christ, if enough people want me to lay the specifics out on Monster as well I can.

    1. It is a multi-region disk. All regions 1-8 are said to be supported.
    2. Media code is NA it is said to be pressed.
    3. Volume name is PASSION_CHRIST
    4. Implementation Id is Ahead Nero
    5. 4.06GB
    6. Number of layers is 1
    7. Recorded 8/8/04
    8. When opened with DVD Shrink, it was unencrypted.
    9. Thai, Malay, and Chinese subtitles

    Here is why I have a problem with those things. This is for the original disk that we bought through our distributor.
    1. The cover of the disk and case say DVD Region 1. The one that I have is only a Region 1
    2 My original is also pressed, usually backups are not pressed disks.
    3. Volume name on original is PASSION_OF_THE_CHRIST
    4. Implementation Id is MEI, I have never seen an original that was done by Nero.
    5. 7.31GB
    6. Number of layers is 2
    7. Recorded 5/19/04
    8. It was encrypted and required compression'
    9. English and Spanish subs I think.

    Here is what I think is going on. Someone gets a movie from Japan that hits DVD before it does in the US. The ship it over, decode, compress, derigion, and burn the disk. Then they pre-book them a month out and sell them to stores.

    I would love to shut down the guy making them, not the customer that will be working for these people. I also would like to make some money in the process.

    The question I have.
    Do you think they are bootlegs.
    Does my theory sound accurate.
    If they are not bootlegs are they legal for me to rent and sell.
    Is there any money to be made, turning this guy in.
    What other test should I use to check the validity.
    Who do I contact to report this crime.

    I used DVDInfoPro to test the media.

    Thanks
    Lonzo
     
  2. Nephilim

    Nephilim Moderator Staff Member

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    Professionally made bootlegs is what they are.
     
  3. herbsman

    herbsman Moderator Staff Member

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    Bootlegs done on a professional scale alright , there are chinese persons roaming the streets of London selling them aswell (£8-£10)

    As a side note , I'd hate to have to watch either Thai, Malay, or Chinese subtitles to Passion of the Christ [heheh] :)
     
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    I guess, I already knew they were bootlegs. The next question, is it illegal to sell imported bootlegs?
     
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    herbsman Moderator Staff Member

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    I would highly recommend that they not be purchased , as there could be certain come-backs/complaints from them...

    Such as Passion of the Christ , the film is totally in ancient Hebrew and only options are to choose Thai / Malay / Chinese subtitles (lol)

    I would also imagine that they are illegal to sell/rent aswell , they certainly are here in the U.K my friend ! ;c]-~
     
  6. blktalon

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    I know I am still a noob but I think what happened is that as you suspected, the movie was ripped from an original in another company, authored with nero using an authoring media/burner, then sent to a shop that pressed the discs. There are several shops in California that used to press runs of 5000+ units for CD's from good master burned discs, no questions asked, so I imagine it must be even easier to find shops in other countries who really don't care about any Copyrights. Pressing is so much cheaper, quicker, and easier than burning, it would have been my choice as a pirate.

    I would strongly suggest you not purchase for resale/rental. If you are making a profit from the copyrighted material, you are opening yourself up to a major lawsuit as the manager who authorized the purchase and also exposing your store to legal action.

    Copyright crimes fall under Federal jurisdiction, so contact your local FBI office(I am assuming you are in the US since you stated your original is Region 1).
     
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  7. viper8437

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    haha
    there theres this strip of stores in one of the towns here
    like 5 of them are movie stores, all international movies
    all the stores RENT bootlegs and its so obvious its funny
    i mean he rents them in jewel cases, not the original case, the labels are bad quality and sometimes off senter
    the funniest was when i played one of them
    the opening DVDXcopy screen appeared
    the only reason they dont get reported is because the rent them for about 3 bucks for a few days...pretty cheap
    pretty funny too
     
  8. Nephilim

    Nephilim Moderator Staff Member

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    LOL!! I almost spit my drink all over my keyboard thank you very much :)
     

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