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Discussion in 'Nero discussion' started by kenkell, Feb 5, 2007.

  1. kenkell

    kenkell Member

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    Suddenly burning my dvd backups from the hard drive or copies from the main drive to the burner takes almost twice as long at 8x burning rate. I'm using Nero 6.6 Ultra and have been for over two years working flawlessly. Now it seems if I choose to burn one of my back-ups to dvd from the hard drive it takes just as long if I choose 4x or 8x. I've never had this problem before. I've tried different blank media. I currently use Fuji dvd+r 16x (Ritek F16). I even tried Taiyo Yuden discs and it takes the same time so I guess it's not the media. I tried backing up the same files files with the same programs to my newer laptop and they burn as quickly as they should at 4 and 8x. I haven't changed any set ups in Nero or my computer. I noticed this happen very suddenly. I burned two copies of the same backup at 8x and took less than 9 minutes, the next one took about 16 minutes. Now everything I'm backing up and burning takes the same time to burn at 4x as it does at 8x, about 15-16 minutes. I have a pretty clean computer. I always defrag and available hard drive space is over 70%. I have very few other programs running! Is it time for a new burner?
     
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    Hi.

    Have you tried resetting your drive with Device Manager?

    - right click on My Computer and select Properties.
    - click the Hardware tab and then the Device Manager button.
    - Expand IDE ATA/ATAPI Controllers.
    - right click on either the Primary or Secondary IDE Channel (whichever hosts your burner, probably Secondary) and select Uninstall.
    - OK the action.
    - restart the system.


    Are you burning with Nero, ImgBurn or some other program? If you're just burning with Nero, have you tried using ImgBurn? Just output an image file from your authoring software and burn with ImgBurn.

    http://www.imgburn.com (free)


    Make sure the IDE cable to your burner is not twisted or crimped and is firmly seated to both the motherboard and the drive.
     
  3. kenkell

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    I expanded the controllers like you said, but it lists three of them! The last one is a Primary one. There is none that says secondary! How can I tell which one is the burner? Thanks for helping!
     
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    Hi again.

    If you're burning with Nero, post one of the sections of your Nero history file for one of these slow burns. The history file is in this path:

    Program Files > Ahead > Nero > NeroHistory

    The history file is divided into sections, one for each of the last several burn attempts. Each section, except the first, begins with a Nero Burning ROM header followed by your name and Nero program serial number. Do not post the entire file but only one of the sections that deals with a slow burn. Be sure to omit your name and serial number when posting back to this thread.

    The log should tell us about your devices.
     
  5. kenkell

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    Here it is! I may have given you more info than you need! If so, Sorry! Thanks again!

    Windows XP 5.1
    IA32
    WinAspi: -
    ahead WinASPI: File 'C:\Program Files\Ahead\nero\Wnaspi32.dll': Ver=2.0.1.59, size=160016 bytes, created 12/16/2003 7:18:06 PM
    Nero version: 6.3.1.6 (Nero Express)
    Recorder: <PHILIPS DVD+-RW DVD8631> Version: GD30 - HA 1 TA 1 - 6.3.1.6
    Adapter driver: <atapi> HA 1
    Drive buffer : 2048kB
    Bus Type : via Inquiry data (1) -> ATAPI, detected: ATAPI
    Connected to MMC as unknown drive with class-nr : 11
    Drive is autodetected - recorder class: DVD+R9 DL recorder
    CD-ROM: <JLMS DVD-ROM XJ-HD166>Version: DD05 - HA 1 TA 0 - 6.3.1.6
    Adapter driver: <atapi> HA 1

    === Scsi-Device-Map ===
    DiskPeripheral : WDC WD1600JD-75HBB0 iaStor Port 0 ID 0 DMA: On
    CdRomPeripheral : JLMS DVD-ROM XJ-HD166 atapi Port 1 ID 0 DMA: On
    CdRomPeripheral : PHILIPS DVD+-RW DVD8631 atapi Port 1 ID 1 DMA: On

    === CDRom-Device-Map ===
    JLMS DVD-ROM XJ-HD166 D: CDRom0
    PHILIPS DVD+-RW DVD8631 E: CDRom1
    =======================

    AutoRun : 1
    Excluded drive IDs:
    CmdQueuing : 1
    CmdNotification: 2
    WriteBufferSize: 74448896 (0) Byte
    ShowDrvBufStat : 0
    EraseSpeed : 0
    BUFE : 0
    Physical memory : 510MB (522332kB)
    Free physical memory: 136MB (139832kB)
    Memory in use : 73 %
    Uncached PFiles: 0x0
    Use Static Write Speed Table: 0
    Use Inquiry : 1
    Global Bus Type: default (0)
    Check supported media : Disabled (0)

    4.2.2007
    UDF/ISO compilation
    7:00:15 AM #1 Phase 112 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1841
    DVD-Video files reallocation started

    7:00:15 AM #2 Phase 114 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1841
    DVD-Video files reallocation completed (no file modified)

    7:00:15 AM #3 Text 0 File Isodoc.cpp, Line 6062
    Iso document burn settings
    ------------------------------------------
    Determine maximum speed : FALSE
    Simulate : FALSE
    Write : TRUE
    Finalize CD : TRUE
    Multisession : FALSE
    Burning mode : DAO
    Mode : 1
    ISO Level : 1 (Max. of 11 = 8 + 3 char)
    Character set : ISO 9660
    Joliet : TRUE
    Allow pathdepth more than 8 directories : FALSE
    Allow more than 255 characters in path : FALSE
    Write ISO9660 ;1 file extensions : TRUE

    7:00:15 AM #4 Phase 111 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1841
    DVD-Video files sorted

    7:00:15 AM #5 Text 0 File Reader.cpp, Line 118
    Reader running

    7:00:15 AM #6 Text 0 File Writer.cpp, Line 124
    Writer PHILIPS DVD+-RW DVD8631 running

    7:00:15 AM #7 ISO9660GEN -11 File geniso.cpp, Line 3898
    First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)

    7:00:15 AM #8 ISO9660GEN -11 File geniso.cpp, Line 3898
    First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)

    7:00:15 AM #9 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3198
    Turn on Disc-at-once, using DVD media

    7:00:16 AM #10 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 244
    Last possible write address on media: 2295103 (510:01.28, 4482MB)
    Last address to be written: 2286111 (508:01.36, 4465MB)

    7:00:16 AM #11 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 249
    Write in overburning mode: FALSE

    7:00:16 AM #12 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 2107
    Recorder: PHILIPS DVD+-RW DVD8631, Media type: DVD+R

    7:00:16 AM #13 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 410
    >>> Protocol of DlgWaitCD activities: <<<
    =========================================

    7:00:16 AM #14 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 813
    Setup items (after recorder preparation)
    0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 (CTransferItem)
    2 indices, index0 (150) not provided
    original disc pos #0 + 2286112 (2286112) = #2286112/508:1.37
    relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/required, no patch infos
    -> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 2286112 blocks [PHILIPS DVD+-RW DVD8631 ]
    --------------------------------------------------------------
     
  6. kenkell

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    Of course I have no clue at what all this info is telling me! I hope it tells you what you need to know.
     
  7. laddyboy

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    The last part of that log section has been omitted. I guess you must not have copied that part.

    Set your target output size in your reauthoring software, e.g., DVD Shrink, Nero Recode, to 4400 to avoid burning too close to the outer edge of the disk. This isn't causing your slowdown though.


    Nero didn't ID the manufacturer of your media. What media are you using? Best is Verbatim, Taiyo Yuden, and Made in Japan labeled Sony and Fuji.


    You device settings appear to be OK. Your firmware is as up to date as possible. I only see two IDE channels. Your hard drive is on the Primary and your DVD-ROM and DVD burner are both on the Secondary IDE channel.


    Try outputting an image file from your authoring software and burning that with ImgBurn. See if the burning is as slow as with Nero.

    http://www.imgburn.com


    The best version of Nero 6 is 6.6.0.18 available in two packages here:

    Package 1: http://httpdl1.usw.nero.com/software/Nero6/Nero-6.6.0.18_no_yt.exe
    Package 2: http://httpdl1.usw.nero.com/software/Nero6/NVE-3.1.0.21_no_yt.exe

    I can't tell from the log exactly which version you have.
     
  8. kenkell

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    I mainly use Shrink with Anydvd. I never use Decrypter anymore. Although I am decrypting a movie now when it's done I will burn it with IMgburn as you request. I never have used that program but downloaded it at your request and see compare the length of time it takes to burn! My question is, if it does work, whats the sudden problem here with Nero? The other thing is, how will i be able to burn my dvd files I decode using shrink and Anydvd?
     
  9. laddyboy

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    DVD Shrink can output an ISO image file that ImgBurn can burn. Just select ISO Image File after clicking the Backup! icon in DVD Shrink. DVD Shrink can also be setup to autoburn with ImgBurn in the same manner as Nero. It'll be one of the options after clicking the Backup! icon in DVD Shrink, once Shrink is configured to do so.
     
  10. kenkell

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    Damn laddyboy you know it all! Thanks for walking me through this! I've been using shrink for two years and really never knew it could burn a different kind of file. What is the difference though, ...I mean the pros and cons of doing this way? Now when I burn this iso image file with imgburn, will an iso image file be as compatible to play on dvd players as the redular dvd files?
     
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    I tried it just like you said! I had an error at the start of the burn as you can see but I burnt it anyway. I don't really know what that error means. It seems like it still burned okay and plays fine! Unfortunatley it only burned at 4x and took just as long as the Nero took at 4x and at 8x. There seems to be no time difference between selecting the burn speed to be 4x or 8x. The weird thing is when I burn at 8x with Nero it says it's reading the file twice as fast then at 4x. (Kbps) I've included the imageburn log here for you to reveiw. The Failed to Verify thing was because I stopped it! I didn't notice it was checked in the default.

    I 20:12:12 ImgBurn Version 2.1.0.0 started!
    I 20:12:12 Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 2)
    I 20:12:12 Initialising SPTI...
    I 20:12:12 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...
    I 20:12:12 Found 1 DVD-ROM and 1 DVD±RW!
    I 20:12:31 Operation Started!
    I 20:12:31 Source File: C:\FREAKSHOW.ISO
    I 20:12:31 Source File Sectors: 1,983,681 (MODE1/2048)
    I 20:12:31 Source File Size: 4,062,578,688 bytes
    I 20:12:31 Source File Volume Identifier: FREAKSHOW
    I 20:12:31 Source File Implementation Identifier: DVD Shrink
    I 20:12:31 Source File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)
    I 20:12:31 Destination Device: [1:1:0] PHILIPS DVD+-RW DVD8631 GD30 (E:) (ATA)
    I 20:12:31 Destination Media Type: DVD+R (Disc ID: RITEK-F16-01)[/b] (Speeds: 2.4x, 4x, 8x, 12x, 16x)
    I 20:12:31 Destination Media Sectors: 2,295,104
    I 20:12:31 Write Mode: DVD
    I 20:12:31 Write Type: DAO
    I 20:12:31 Write Speed: MAX
    I 20:12:31 Link Size: Auto
    I 20:12:31 Test Mode: No
    I 20:12:31 BURN-Proof: Enabled
    W 20:13:04 DeviceIoControl(FSCTL_LOCK_VOLUME) Failed! - Reason: Access is denied.
    W 20:13:04 DeviceIoControl(FSCTL_DISMOUNT_VOLUME) Failed! - Reason: Access is denied.
    I 20:13:05 Filling Buffer...
    I 20:13:06 Writing LeadIn...
    I 20:13:41 Writing Image...
    I 20:26:12 Synchronising Cache...
    I 20:26:13 Closing Track...
    I 20:26:16 Finalising Disc...
    I 20:26:41 Image MD5: b3253b9cc5cfc69e97059792f8b2bcec
    I 20:26:42 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:14:10
    I 20:26:42 Average Write Rate: 5,282 KB/s (3.8x) - Maximum Write Rate: 5,592 KB/s (4.0x)
    I 20:26:42 Cycling Tray before Verify...
    W 20:26:51 Waiting for device to become ready...
    I 20:26:57 Device Ready!
    I 20:26:57 Operation Started!
    I 20:26:57 Source Device: [1:1:0] PHILIPS DVD+-RW DVD8631 GD30 (E:) (ATA)
    I 20:26:57 Source Media Type: DVD+R (Book Type: DVD-ROM) (Disc ID: RITEK-F16-01)
    I 20:26:57 Image File: C:\FREAKSHOW.ISO
    I 20:26:57 Image File Sectors: 1,983,681 (MODE1/2048)
    I 20:26:57 Image File Size: 4,062,578,688 bytes
    I 20:26:57 Image File Volume Identifier: FREAKSHOW
    I 20:26:57 Image File Implementation Identifier: DVD Shrink
    I 20:26:57 Image File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)
    I 20:26:57 Verifying Sectors...
    I 20:28:40 Abort Request Acknowledged
    E 20:28:40 Failed to Verify Sectors!
    E 20:28:44 Operation Aborted! - Duration: 00:01:43
    I 20:28:44 Average Verify Rate: 5,167 KB/s (3.7x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 5,985 KB/s (4.3x)
     
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    I think the version of Nero I have 6.3.1.6. If i click on one of those Nero files you gave what should i do with them? Sorry, but I'm still a newbie at this stuff.
     
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    I was wrong about the Version I thought I had in the beginning! It isn't 6.6 My Version is 6.3.1.6. I guess it's an older version than I thought. It does state the version in the log and as stated previously, I'm mainly using Fuji DVD+R made in Taiwan(Ritek F16). They have always woked great. I have burned a couple thousand of these discs. I used to get the made in Japan ones, but Best Buy doesn't get them anymore. I even tried some of my Taiyo Yuden discs to see if it would burn faster, they didn't! It took just as long! This is the the origianl burner in my Dell 8400 I bought slightly over 2 years ago. I've burned slightly over 3000 discs with it, mostly Fuji's and recently Sony's! It's been a workhorse. Hardly ever get a coaster.
     
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    Your only getting effective 4X burns so something must be bottlenecking on this system. I only burn at 4X myself since that seems to give the best quality burn. I mainly use a laptop and external drives and burner though.

    I doubt it's your burner causing the problem but it could be the culprit. It's more likely a communication problem on the bus. Try changing the IDE cable or at least making sure it isn't crimped or pinched and is firmly seated into both the device and the motherboard. Does the DD-ROM work OK?

    If you have access to another system, install your burner there and see if it just as slow. If it burns faster, you know you have a problem on your system.

    You might try going back to an earlier restore point when you think you were getting more throughput. If it burns faster at that earlier restore point, you'll know some software or driver has been added since that's messing things up.

    If you have the full Nero suite you can use the same serial number for the Nero version I linked to. If you have a limited oem version that just includes Nero Express, I'm not sure if you can update or not. If you do update, be sure to write down your Nero serial number first and then uninstall. Next run the Nero 6 Clean Tool before installing the two packs linked for the new version. Don't install the newest version of Nero 6, version 6.6.1.4, as it is a little buggy.

    http://www.nero.com/nero6/enu/Nero_6_CleanTool.html

     
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    I used to burn at 4x regularly, but surprisingly enough 8x has been very good to me and been twice as fast. Unfortunately, I cannot download any of those Nero files, clean tools or update. I shouldn't have to explain why! ;)A friend hooked me up. I'll try making sure the cables are connected firmly as you ask. If nothing else, maybe I might have to buy a newer version of Nero? I mostly use Nero Express and Burning Rom to burn cd and dvd files along with some cue files. I was looking on ebay for some cheap Nero software but am unsure what these people are really selling. I'm not sure if I'm getting a full version or not. After I bought my laptop, I bought the Nero Essential disc off ebay, just to find out it doesn't burn dvd files! Any suggestions on getting a good full version wih a legit serial number? Thanks again laddyboy.
     
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    As for burning DVDs, there's plenty of free burning software available so Nero isn't really needed. For CDs, WinXP and Vista both have native support for burning CDs. All the music services have CD burning support and there is free CD burning software available as well. The Nero suite is a comprehensive jack-of-all-trades solution, but isn't the best software for every purpose unfortunately. Generally on eBay sellers are pretty honest especially those with good ratings from buyers. I'd avoid buying anything from someone that doesn't have a seller history. You are looking for Nero Ultra or Nero Premium. Anything else is a lite or stripped oem version (Nero Essentials, Nero Express). There has to be a serial number. Doesn't Paypal guarantee satisfaction with sellers if you use them? Seriously, I'd do without Nero unless there's something you have to have from the package. Maybe if you burn cue files you'll need it enough to justify it. At Christmas you can pick up the full Nero pretty cheap even at retail stores.

    See if you can install your balky burner in your friends system and test it there.
     

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