I know vurbal has a sticky thread for posting bad media experiences. But it is getting hard to sort through, thanks to a lot of offtopic postings to it. Plus, this is really a tale of one good media experience vs. a mediocre one. And based what I've read from a lot of postings, I think the results are going to surprise some people. So I hope the forum is okay with this being a new thread. I was happily using Memorex DVD+R's until I found out that they wouldn't play in one of my dvd players (a Toshiba). As I've posted elsewhere, while labled 4X, these are actually 8X DVD+R's with a PRODISC id. I don't recall any bad burns with these dvd's. But because I wanted something that would play in my Toshiba, I decided to purchase some DVD-R's. I dutifully researched the postings here, and decided to purchase some Maxell 4X DVD-R "Yellow-tops" with a RITEK manufacturer id. What a disappointment. Every single Maxell/Ritek I've burned now -- at least half a dozen so far -- have had crc read errors. To try to track down whether it was the media, or something else about my setup, I did the following tests. 1. I have a copy of ET I wanted to back up to dvd. For the first burn, I used Roxio Easy DVD Copy to burn to the Memorex media. I copied the movie only and just one audio track to get the least compression possible. Roxio has no setting like dvd shrink where you can limit the resulting VIDEO_TS to (say) 4300 MB. So Roxio is going to write all the way out to the edge. Roxio transcoded and wrote out to the "4X" Memorex media at 8X. When the burn was done I checked for crc read errors with dvdinfopro. [bold]Not a one! The burn was perfect.[/bold] 2. For the second test, I used dvd shrink to create the movie only VIDEO_TS file, with Nero burning to the Maxell/Ritek media at 4X. When done I checked for crc read errors with dvdinfopro. [bold]There were 20 sectors that could not be read.[/bold] 3. I wanted to rule out this being a burn engine issue (where the burn settings might have something to do with the quality of the burn), so I used Roxio to write out the VIDEO_TS folder to a Maxell/Ritek dvd at 4X. In this instance, there were [bold]104 crc read errors[/b], but most of them (all but 13) were in the last 0.04GB of data. Keep in mind that this was a burn already limited to 4.2GB by dvd shrink. These results go against much of what I read around here. First of all, Memorex is routinely put down. And maybe justifiably so, depending on the actual manufacturer. But I'm so impressed with the Memorex DVD+4 PRODISC "4x is actually 8x" that I'm go see if I can find some more, even if I do have a dvd player they will not work in. On the other hand, I read a number of positive posts about the Maxell/Ritek DVD-R 4X "Yellowtops". That's why I bought them. Every single one of them I've burned so far has errors. I think my tests rule out it being either the burn engine or the dvd burner (a Sony DRU 710A with the latest firmware). It seems specifically to be the media. That's not to say that the errors are always so bad as to make the media unplayable. Dvd players seem to be pretty forgiving, and will play through (if with pauses or skips) some of these read errors. But when I have the choice of error free burns (Memorex) versus errors with every burn (Maxell), it doesn't take a rocket scientist to guess which I'm going to use.