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"Meeting Force, with Force"

Discussion in 'Safety valve' started by venomX05, Apr 5, 2005.

  1. venomX05

    venomX05 Regular member

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  2. haimback

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    Hey Venom,
    First things first, where do you get all the silly venom animations from?!?!I like the new one BTW.
    Second good luck to anyone that stays in Florida,if this thing passes your in trouble.Any murderer can surely plead that they were attacked and just defended themselfs.
    This man makes Blair look good.
    ps sorry i tried to fix the typo's but its 3am and iv had a few.
     
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  3. venomX05

    venomX05 Regular member

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    Hey haimback,

    LMAO!!! Well, I found a slew of them on the internet and some sites were given to me by some members here. The one with the bikini shorts was a special creation for the Memorex thread done by ScubaBud, the one with the whole bikini outfit was a suggestion by Saugmon, I do believe. So that is one of my personal favorites.

    Cool! Thanks alot! This one was done by a bubba, you have probably seen him around the forums! It is pretty damn funny!

    Yeah, I was reading it and I just shook my head and couldn't believe it. This is definately going to cause alot of problems. Florida, IMO, is a very backward state. It seems they have the funniest laws, and the most ridiculous ways of doing things, i.e. Presidential Election a couple of years ago.

    So...who knows what is going to come out of this one!

    ;)
     
  4. malcdogg

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    Sounds like the kind of thing that a politician knows is rediculous, but will still press just to gain votes with the NRA, ultra conservative, Christian crowd. I love this part...

    ["I'm sorry people, but if I'm attacked I shouldn't have a duty to retreat,'' said the bill's sponsor, Rep. Dennis Baxley, R-Ocala. ``That's a good way to get shot in the back."]..

    What the hell does Rep. Dennis Baxley, OR Bush know about getting attacked? Rich people never cease to amaze me. I mean, common, thats all we need is old, scared, middle to upper class people, walking the streets, ready to go all Death Wish on some "young punks" ass.
     
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  5. philipman

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    Thats is a good law, so now if I am walking down the street with a 9mm in pocket and someone tells me they will kill me if I don't give them my $$$. I can pop them and get away with it thats funny!
     
  6. jfk329

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    Hi all,

    I live here in South Florida, and some people forget when they come here that you are still in the south. I'm all for self defense but 2 wrongs dont make a right. And yes its time to trim the Bushes, Both of them. You will have every crazy redneck Shooting their way to the Daytona 500.
     
  7. Nephilim

    Nephilim Moderator Staff Member

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    People shouldn't have to worry about being prosecuted for defending themselves.

    They do that already so what's the difference?


    Like what?



    Every time someone tries to pass a law to empower the average citizens ability to defend themselves all the nonthinkers start crying out that it'll be the wild wild west again with shootouts happening all over the place and that's complete bunk. Criminals by definition don't give a shit about laws so what difference is another one going to make to them? Each and every new antigun measure that gets passed only cripples those who abide by the law already. All the basic common sense gun laws were enacted years ago.

    Take fully automatic weapons for example. Any American citizen with a clean record can apply for a Class 3 weapons permit to own a full auto weapon and it's been that way for decades. Just the thought of that makes liberals have nightmares but you know what? The only recorded muder commited by the legal owner of a full auto was committed by a police officer.

    I'm sure someone will try to argue that everything is fine and dandy in Europe with their restrictive gun laws but thats a ridiculous comparison. America has a truly unique culture when it comes to guns so any comparison of that sort simply doesn't hold water. To make a fair comparison you have to look within the U.S and when you take that perspective you'll see that restictive gun laws make things worse. Washington DC has the most restictive gun laws in the U.S. yet they are always in the top three for gun related murders every year. Then you have Vermont - which isn't very far from D.C - where any citizen with a clean record can carry a concealed firearm without needing a permit and guess what - they always come in with one of the lowest number of yearly gun murders in the nation.

    I carry my S&W .40 cal everywhere I go because I'm not going to be an easy victim. If someone wants to knock me off they're going to have to work at it. I wish we lived in a world where I didn't feel the need to carry all the time but we do. We need to start coming down hard on the bad guys that use guns in crimes not the good guys that need to carry them for protection.



    Gun Control: The theory that a woman raped and killed in an alley is somehow morally superior to the woman explaining to the police how her attacker was shot and killed.
     
  8. haimback

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    where to start with this one, first off
    The difference is this law is going to back them when they go to court even if the cops no they are lying.
    this is the the comment of a fully fledged member of the NRA im guessing, perhaps if america listened to the 'nonthinkers' your crime rate wouldnt be so crazy.
    As for the gun culture (which is going off topic but il indulge you) -America cant be compared with Europe because
    your right, but this isnt a good thing!!! which brings me to this point...
    Its the easy avalibility of guns in the states has a direct effect on murder rates the fact that anyone can walk into a store and buy a gun is mindboggling.The amount of kids that end walking into their schools with a handgun (which was probably bought legally) and try to kill there teachers is sickening, surely you must see that if the guns wernt so easily avalible it wouldnt happen so offten?I know in the past the americans have always closely gaurded there right to own a gun but please someone tell its the minority that believe this right does any good for your country?
     
  9. Toiletman

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    Guns are tools. Just like your knife and fork. Guns are tools made for killing, offensively OR defensively. I see no reason for them to be banned. Afterall, it is not the tool's fault but rather the user of the tool that is to be blamed.

    With today's young society, which I am part of, I would not feel comfortable if everyone was carrying a piece, because they're simply too "trigger happy" and "yung gung ho" if you get what I mean. They won't use it defensively but rather offensively. I am currently in Grade 10.

    However, with an adult society, I would feel comfortable. Not everyone is a crazy killing physchopath, most people are sane enough not to unload ammunition in somebody's face just for the hell of it.

    So, my point? Nothing. I don't have a point to prove. I'm not here to argue, I'm just here to state what I think. =D Back to my videogames!
     
  10. malcdogg

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    Nephilim, I hate to disagree with you but i do. I'm not in any way against guns. And for sure i'm not against self defense, in fact i had to do it once, it wasn't some hypothetical situation for me. I was a 12 year old kid with a 35 year, convicted rapist trying to break in my home in the middle of the night, where me and my then pregnant mother lived alone. What it ended up being is the man trying to kill me because i wouldnt let him in my home, and me stabbing him with a knife. Not something i talk about often, but just to give you some perspective that i'm not talking out of my ass about the right to self defense.

    What we need isn't what will amount to what people SEE as a ticket to kill someone, and get away with it (because that IS what will be happening), what we need are to choose the prosecuters in our cities more carefully. Make sure you don't choose someone out looking so hard to make a name that they would charge someone for defending themselves. Or corrupt police officers.

    I've lived in a few good cities, and i have to say, my opinion is that there is no need to walk around carrying a gun with you all the time unless you have a good reason to think you need it. BUT, it damn sure IS your right to carry it. I myself own a .357 revolver and a 12 gauge shotgun. I don't walk the street with them though. Where i live if you go around pulling guns on people because you get scared you're likely to have 5 of them come back in the middle of the night and shoot your home up.

    Anyway that's my opinion, hopefully this doesn't get people angry at each other. Us Americans at least. I doubt Europians care about the matter. Just remember guys, just the same as it's (supposed) to be our right to carry guns and vote, It's also our right to disagree with each other, and debate the matter in a civilized manner. :)



     
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  11. pulsar

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    Count yourself lucky that you can fight back. In the UK we have very few real rights to self defence in our own homes, let alone outside. If you hit a burglar you will end up in court on an assault charge.
     
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  12. malcdogg

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    That's just crazy man. If someone breaks in my home where me, my wife, and daughter live they'd better be ready to have their picture on the back of a milk carton.
     
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    Tell me about it!
     
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    I live in South Florida and have had a concealed weapons permit. I've let it lapse, but I still carry a gun in my car and in my home. Basically the law states that without a concealed weapons permit, the firearm must be three steps away if concealed. In other words, one, to open a glove box in your car, two, to reach and grab the gun in a holster, and three, to remove it from the holster with the fourth step being able to shoot it. But if the gun was carried in a belted holster on your waist you do not need a concealed weapons permit. I’ve attached the link that spells out currently what is required and what is legal use of deadly force which should help explain a bit better what this new law is trying to eliminate. It will not become a Wild Wild West Show once everyone knows the law. And if you think for one minute that you can’t get a gun off the street without a license for it you are sadly mistaken.

    http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/weapons/self_defense.html
     
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    One question, what's a "billie"?
     
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    i come from detroit michigan that has a high murder rate if not the highest in the country . its not nicknamed murder city for nothing . i would love to see laws like this in detroit . people would think twice before attacking someone if they thought there was a possiblity they could get shot themselves . this would be a excellent deterrent and may lead to the reduction in violent crimes . maybe the bars on windows could be removed if the crime rate went down . there's is nothing worse than feeling like you are a prisoner in your own home .
     
  17. Nephilim

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    @ haimback

    Your response was exactly what I've heard from so many Europeans.

    Yessir I am and you're a Michael Moore fan I'm guessing. Do you know anything about the NRA besides what you learned from Michael Moore's wonderful films?


    That's so funny it's sad. If we listened to all the idiots then the only people with guns would be criminals (they're the guys who don't care about the law remember?) so how would that solve the problem? The guys doing the killing are still going to have the guns.


    It's that sort of simplistic thinking that keeps the real issues from ever being dealt with. Guns are inanimate objects, they don't mesmerize people into killing. The environmental and societal dynamics and that lead someone to murder will still be there after the guns are taken away.


    Wrong. In order to buy a gun you have to prove who you are and undergo a background check to verify you're not prohibited from owning one before you're allowed to take it home. You're also put on file as being the registered owner of that firearm.


    Kids can't buy them. They have to get one through the action (giving it to them) or inaction (leaving it accessable) of an irresponsible adult.


    There you go again concentrating on an inanimate object instead of looking at what's making these kids want to do such a horrible thing in the first place. So I guess to your way of thinking it'd be better to take a constitutional right away from millions of people because some troubled kids didn't get the help or attention they needed to resolve their issues in an appropriate manner? It's a sickening lack of parenting that's the problem.


    It's the majority of us that hold the Second Amendment sacred and that's why we still have it. It's the one amendment that guarantees all the rest. Most of us aren't willing to sell out our Bill of Rights for any price especially over simplistic thinking. Gun banning is for those who don't have the willingness or fortitude to deal with the actual causes of violence.
     
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  18. clouser

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    One question, what's a "billie"? its a billie club like what english cops ues.
     
  19. retro78

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    aren't that bobbies ?
     
  20. clouser

    clouser Guest

    i thought thats what the cops where called?
     

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