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Microsoft Rep Says HD-DVD

Discussion in 'Xbox 360 - Modding & Hacking' started by BobbyBlu, Jan 8, 2007.

  1. BobbyBlu

    BobbyBlu Guest

    Ben Kuchera from Ars Technica just got to live the dream. With two Microsoft reps around for tea and biscuits (under the auspices of a demonstration of the 360's 1080p capabilities) he exchanged niceties, locked the door and shook 'em down.

    The reps were hit with questions about the 360's HDD (as in, why's it still so small, and where the hell is a bigger one?), the microtransaction "debate" (as in, rape is not fun) and HD output. On the HDD, they were sadly coy and evasive. On microtransactions, they were smugly offensive, offering the frankly patronising quip that "this is a new market".

    But it's when they get talking about HD, 1080p and HD-DVD that we get the money shot. When asked whether there'd be a future 360 with an internal HD-DVD drive, one of the reps, Scott Hensen, had this to say:


    We don't want to charge customers $200 extra for something that may be the next Betamax.

    http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/360/microsoft-rep-says-hddvd-the-next-betamax-226205.php
     
  2. BurningAs

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    YOU HAVE A SEGA DREAMCAST that looks like Bar B q Grill fanboy!
     
  3. Domreis

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    I hope HD-DVDs is the Next BetaMax, becuase I have a PS3 which is Blu-Ray
     
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  4. emachine

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    Wow thanks for that BobbyBlu instead of like sony shoving it down your throats MS at least lets you buy the upgrade separately. Not saying I like MS better than sony but in this issue MS is for the consumer.
     
  5. PS2Menace

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    Ok, you did say In this particular issue. My bad. I knew you weren't talking about Microsoft's past track record. I think this is the only product that they have the right marketing strategy.
     
  6. Noamos

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    I have both consoles and am niether a fanboy of a specific console, but one thing that I think is because MS not installing or having hddvd drive as a standard drive was because they did want to sell it cheaper when ps3 can out with the option of buying the hddvd drive. So making it cheaper was great but having both makes me think twice about buying a hddvd drive bcause I have the ps3 with a standard hd player no need to have hd dvd drive especially if I have only for movies, which sucks IMO. I just really don't see hddvd being the standard format for hd movies or games. The way I see is that yeah MS didn't shove it done my throat but giving me the option to purchase it only for movies when I have already spent 399.00 for the console seem dumb to me when I can just pay one price for all and save $ in the long run. Just my two cents.
     
  7. Domreis

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    It was very hard for me to buy a PS3 because I don't want Blu-Ray to be the next Betamax! That was nice that M$ made the HDDVD an option, they also felt that they would be able to get the console on the market faster if they used a standard DVD drive! I think M$ made a good move for now, but was it a good long term dicesion?

    ~Domreis
     
  8. BobbyBlu

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    Just let me know when Microsoft upgrade you to death....I like both consoles and i own both so guess that would make me a Fanboy...lol

    If you look in the back ground they are using a Sony LCD TV.If Sony knew this they would not be happy because they have aready told BB & CC do not use there sets with Microsoft period...
     
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  9. Noamos

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    Let me ask you this domeris, if the 360 was at launch price 499 and they did have the option for you to get the hddvd drive at would you get 199, NO right? and I think the majority of ppl wouldn't either. Instead of having hddvd formated games and movies MS thought a way to have consumers fork more moneyin the lomger by "updating", but thats if the consumer wants it. Now if MS decide to go with hddvd drive built in would you have bought it at 599 ofcourse why? Ppl's excuse would be well it's got hddvd formatted games(more space for devs) and it play hddvd movies. The way I see is that ppl will always bitch about what they don't have (not directed to you) and forcing some thing down there throat, is BS and I have a 1080p res hdtv which as for me I saw it as a bargain have a media entertainment center all in one. Another thing MS fan boys where always talking about ps2 having to upgrade here and there, know that the tables have turned they don't like it and fine some reason to cry about it. I respect you and that's because you are unbias, as well as I'm just speacking my mind and my point of view plus I enjoy both consoled because each one has great games but when it comes to hd movies I gotta go with blue-ray because it is the new technology for the future and it saves me from dropping $200 more for something that's only being used for movies and not for both.
     
  10. Thoatih12

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    blueray superior....no....Interesting arguments. But I feel it is important to correct a error in the Original Post by Dan Costa that seems so pervasively accepted as true. Blu Ray does NOT currently have a Capacity Advantage over HD-DVD. If you carefully examine Specifications for both Formats, you will see that Blu Ray is only capable of single sided disks. So taking the example of a Single Layer disk first, Blu Ray can offer up to 25 gb on a single layer disk, HD-DVD can offer 30 gb on a single layer disk (15 gb on side 1 + 15 gb on side 2). Same hold true for double layer, where Blu Ray limited to 1 side at 50 gb cannot match HD-DVD's 2 sided double layer's 60 gb. That by the way is why HD-DVD Combo disks are possible and Blu-Ray not possible.
    The preceding is offered as facts to assist readers to understand the format and NOT to argue who will win this. Having corrected this error, I'll also tell you that a few other factors not yet mentioned ought to be considered in forming your opinion of who will win.
    1. HP (the top PC maker) despite being a Founding Blu Ray company and on the BD Group has just announced a $100 HD DVD add on to the PCs.
    2. Apple, another founding member and on the BD Group announced that their next Operating System AND their immensely popular software (for video editing etc) Final Cut Pro will both have native Support for HD-DVD.
    3. Several films that are currently ONLY in release in North America from one of the Exclusive Blu-ray supporting Studios are being released by companies who have foreign distrib rights in Europe on HD-DVD and these can easily be played by North American HD DVD players
    4. Ipsos Vantis and several other Research companies who have done Research Polling have ALL noted that their research results put HD-DVD at a distinct advantage over Blu Ray in leading the Format War to the end.

    It may very well not be North America that totally determines the outcome. If, for example, as seems quite likely from all the rumblings coming down the wires, the Taiwanese and Chinese factories start embracing HD-DVD this will result in a flood of inexpensive players (likely in the $150 to $300 range) that will all but assure a victory in the average consumer's mind that they should buy into HD DVD instead of Blu Ray.

    I'm trying to look at this issue as dispassionately as possible, but each time I try to see reasons Blu Ray should triumph, I come up empty


     
  11. Thoatih12

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    i didnt say that i just felt like posting it..
     
  12. emachine

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    Well I personality think Microsoft did the right thing, but with sony it was a no brainer because it is there product.

    What background?
     
  13. Domreis

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    I don't care about what the console has or what it doesn’t have (accessories, tech specs, ect.) All I care about are the titles, and the game play! I am a gamer not a "FANBOY" I am a GAMER! I loves games, I buy the consoles if I feel that the titles will be superior to another console, in the Newest Generation of Game Play the style of gaming is "VERY" different for each console, and that is why I plan on owning all the new consoles and playing them because I am a gamer! I don't care what the companies shove down my throat, if the system will have good games and I can afford it I will buy it just because I am a gamer! Isn't that how things should be? I am glad that people like yourself see my point of view, there are several people at school that say "Why; why do you buy ever console that is on the market?" I just say "Because the styles of game play varies per system and I am a gamer and like a change of game play every now and then!

    I hope people can see where I am comeing from!
     
  14. BobbyBlu

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    Who's on each side?
    Toshiba leads the HD DVD consortium, which also includes consumer electronics manufacturers Sanyo and NEC. Entertainment companies on board are HBO, New Line Cinema, Paramount Home Entertainment, Universal Studios Home Entertainment and Warner Home Video.

    [bold]Blu-ray's consumer electronics list is longer[/bold], with Sony, Panasonic, Philips, Samsung, Sharp, Pioneer and LG Electronics. PC makers that support it are Dell, HP and Apple Computer. Also on board are video game maker Electronic Arts and entertainment companies Twentieth Century Fox, Vivendi Universal and Walt Disney. Let not forget the Porn industry back Blu-Ray also.

    HD-DVD does not hold more space on a single side DVD Blu-Ray does 50gigs are i one side disc.There are also 50gig Blu-ray title out Click, Black Hawk Down, and Talladega Nights on 50 GB Blu-ray discs.
     
  15. BobbyBlu

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    HD DVD, High Density DVD, or High-Definition DVD is a high-density optical disc format designed for the storage of data and high-definition video.

    The HD DVD disc is designed to be the successor to the DVD format and can store roughly 3-4 times the amount of data as its predecessor. Although it uses the same blue-violet 405 nm laser as Blu-ray Disc uses, technical differences make the two formats incompatible. The additional capacity of HD DVD means the discs are more suited to high-definition video than are standard DVDs. In comparison to its main competitor, Blu-ray Disc, HD DVD has less information capacity per layer (15 gigabytes instead of Blu-ray Disc's 25). HD DVD shares the same basic disc structure as a standard DVD: back-to-back bonding of two 0.6 mm thick, 120 mm diameter substrates.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD-DVD

    Does this make Blu-Ray better NO.
     
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  16. Domreis

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    I am on Blu-Ray side! I feel that HD-DVD is overrated! I would have stil bought a 360 if they used the HD-DVD Drive, but they didn't so it dosen't matter!
     
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    How can someone actually believe more storage is NOT superior? Oh...I forgot I am in the Xbox360 forum area that is why.
     
  18. emachine

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    lol

    Well there is other factors, All I care about is being able to burn them and the price of burnable disks and burners.
     
  19. Thoatih12

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    ps3 people are gunna have to pay like crazy to buy a blueray burner on the computer and a blueray disc!
     
  20. BobbyBlu

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    Right now thats not a issue because they have found away to dump ISO on your HD movie's & games also...Plus there isn't a software made to [bold]fully[/bold]to back both HD-DVD & Blu-Ray up yet and i don't see that coming for a long while.by then cost should be down.So hackers going to stick with the cheaper way like Flashing the 360 or finding away to play the iso's dumped on you PS3.
     

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