Sorry for having such a big mouth. You're abosolutely right about not condoning that behavior, and that's why I now have my own writer to back up my own movies. That's my dilema, I purchased Texas Chainsaw Massacre and backed it up on +format and -format. Neither plays on my PS2. I recorded on good media, and was written in 20mins. They play well on my PC, only my PS2 keeps showing 'disc read error'. Can you please help a bonehead?