Alright here is the deal: I have a pioneer 108 firmware 1.18. Disc's I used: Spin-X---Works fine except one or two. prodisc manufactured. +/- used. 50 or more used RitekG04 4X printable---Movies skip like CRAZY if I can even get out of the menu or even to the menu. 30 or more used. Not a signle good burn. Fujifilm---Works fine. 15 used Ridata---Worked fine. only 1 tested. G04 Prodisc 8x printable--- Works fine through most of the movie bt starts to skip badly at the end of the disc. Memorex 4x printable DVD+R---Most work fine but a few do the same as the ones below. 30 or more used MCC-003 Memorex 4x printable DVD+R---None of these have worked. They fail verfication skip or do not read. If I fog the bottom of the disc with my breath I can see a line at about the 3Gig mark all the way around the disc. CMC-MAG-F01. 20 or more used. If I burn the whole disc there is a small area that is NOT burned all the way around the disc. Not in the same place as the line from frosting the disc. A few of the MCC's have done this as well. as of right now it seems I have these bad disc's. 100 prodisc, 100 Ritek, 100 Memorex. This seems illogical that the problem lies with the media. Is this a burner issue? BTW I had this issue with 1.08 firmware and 1.18 firmware. ASPI layers are up to date. same results with nero, dvddecryptter, Sonic Record Now. Any help would be much appreciated.