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Nero problem - burn failed - log posted.

Discussion in 'Nero discussion' started by torrok, Jun 12, 2005.

  1. torrok

    torrok Guest

    I used TMPGenc to encode the movie demuxed the AC3 audio file from the original avi file before encoding the video, i then authored with TMPGenc DVD Author 1.6 adding the .AC3 audio to the encoded video file. I then attempted to burn using Nero but got the burn unsuccessful window 6 minutes into the burn. Here is the log from Nero. Can anyone tell from the log what i have done wrong? Any help appreciated. Thanks.

    Windows XP 5.1
    IA32
    WinAspi: -
    ahead WinASPI: File 'C:\Program Files\Ahead\Nero\Wnaspi32.dll': Ver=2.0.1.68, size=160016 bytes, created 28/07/2004 12:51:12
    Nero version: 6.6.0.0
    Recorder: <MATSHITA UJ-820D> Version: 1.00 - HA 1 TA 0 - 6.6.0.0
    Adapter driver: <atapi> HA 1
    Drive buffer : 2048kB
    Bus Type : default (0) -> ATAPI, detected: ATAPI
    CD-ROM: <MATSHITA UJ-820D >Version: 1.00 - HA 1 TA 0 - 6.6.0.0
    Adapter driver: <atapi> HA 1

    === Scsi-Device-Map ===
    DiskPeripheral : IC25N060ATMR04-0 atapi Port 0 ID 0 DMA: On
    CdRomPeripheral : MATSHITA UJ-820D atapi Port 1 ID 0 DMA: On
    CdRomPeripheral : Generic DVD-ROM 1.0 d347prt Port 2 ID 0 DMA: Off

    === CDRom-Device-Map ===
    MATSHITA UJ-820D F: CDRom0
    Generic DVD-ROM G: CDRom1
    =======================

    AutoRun : 1
    Excluded drive IDs:
    WriteBufferSize: 74448896 (0) Byte
    ShowDrvBufStat : 0
    BUFE : 0
    Physical memory : 510MB (523248kB)
    Free physical memory: 62MB (64376kB)
    Memory in use : 87 %
    Uncached PFiles: 0x0
    Use Static Write Speed Table: 0
    Use Inquiry : 1
    Global Bus Type: default (0)
    Check supported media : Disabled (0)

    12.6.2005
    UDF/ISO compilation
    05:58:17 #1 Phase 112 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1861
    DVD-Video files reallocation started

    05:58:17 #2 Phase 114 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1861
    DVD-Video files reallocation completed (no file modified)

    05:58:18 #3 Text 0 File Isodoc.cpp, Line 6170
    Iso document burn settings
    ------------------------------------------
    Determine maximum speed : FALSE
    Simulate : FALSE
    Write : TRUE
    Finalize CD : TRUE
    Multisession : FALSE
    Burning mode : DAO
    Mode : 1
    ISO Level : 2 (Max. of 31 chars)
    Character set : ISO 9660
    Joliet :FALSE
    Allow pathdepth more than 8 directories : FALSE
    Allow more than 255 characters in path : FALSE
    Write ISO9660 ;1 file extensions : TRUE

    05:58:18 #4 Phase 111 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1861
    DVD-Video files sorted

    05:58:18 #5 Text 0 File Reader.cpp, Line 127
    Reader running

    05:58:18 #6 Text 0 File Writer.cpp, Line 122
    Writer MATSHITA UJ-820D running

    05:58:18 #7 ISO9660GEN -11 File geniso.cpp, Line 3286
    First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)

    05:58:18 #8 ISO9660GEN -11 File geniso.cpp, Line 3286
    First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)

    05:58:18 #9 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3119
    Turn on Disc-at-once, using DVD media

    05:58:18 #10 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 256
    Last possible write address on media: 2298495 (510:46.45, 4489MB)
    Last address to be written: 2028767 (450:50.17, 3962MB)

    05:58:18 #11 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 268
    Write in overburning mode: NO (enabled: CD DVD)

    05:58:18 #12 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 2310
    Recorder: MATSHITA UJ-820D, Media type: DVD-R
    Disc Manufacturer: RITEKG - 04
    Disc Application Code: 64, Disc Physical Code: 193

    05:58:18 #13 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 430
    >>> Protocol of DlgWaitCD activities: <<<
    =========================================

    05:58:18 #14 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 844
    Setup items (after recorder preparation)
    0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 ()
    2 indices, index0 (150) not provided
    original disc pos #0 + 2028768 (2028768) = #2028768/450:50.18
    relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/ required, no patch infos
    -> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 2028768 blocks [MATSHITA UJ-820D]
    --------------------------------------------------------------

    05:58:18 #15 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 1045
    Prepare recorder [MATSHITA UJ-820D] for write in CUE-sheet-DAO
    DAO infos:
    ==========
    MCN: ""
    TOCType: 0x00; Session Closed, disc fixated
    Tracks 1 to 1:
    1: TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x00, FilePos 0 0 4154916864, ISRC ""
    DAO layout:
    ===========
    __Start_|____Track_|_Idx_|_RecDep_|_CtrlAdr_
    0 | lead-in | 0 | 0x00 | 0x41
    0 | 1 | 0 | 0x00 | 0x41
    0 | 1 | 1 | 0x00 | 0x41
    2028768 | lead-out | 1 | 0x00 | 0x41

    05:58:18 #16 Phase 24 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1861
    Caching of files started

    05:58:18 #17 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 4135
    Cache writing successful.

    05:58:18 #18 Phase 25 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1861
    Caching of files completed

    05:58:18 #19 Phase 36 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1861
    Burn process started at 2x (2,770 KB/s)

    05:58:18 #20 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2471
    Verifying disc position of item 0 (relocatable, disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0

    05:58:18 #21 Text 0 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1719
    Set remaining time: 25:09,739 (1509739ms) -> OK

    05:58:18 #22 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 1955
    Recording mode: Sequential Recording Mode

    05:58:18 #23 Text 0 File Mmc.cpp, Line 20542
    Set BUFE: Buffer underrun protection -> ON

    05:58:18 #24 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 2096
    Start write address at LBA 0
    DVD high compatibility mode: Yes

    05:58:18 #25 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 8259
    ---- DVD Structure: Physical Format Information (00h) ----
    Layer: 0, Address: 0 (0 h), AGID: 0; Length: 2050
    Book Type: DVD-R (2), Part Version: 5
    Disc Size: 120 mm, Maximum Rate: <not specified> (F h)
    Number of Layers: 1, Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP), Layer Type: recordable
    Linear Density: 0,267 um/bit, Track Density: 0,74 um/track
    Starting Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 30000 h (DVD-ROM, DVD-R/-RW, DVD+R/+RW)
    End Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 30000 h
    End Sector Number in Layer 0: 0 h
    Data in Burst Cutting Area (BCA) does not exist
    Start sector number of the current Border-Out: 0 h
    Start sector number of the next Border-In: 0 h
    Media Specific [16..63]:
    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................

    05:59:01 #26 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1281
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    06:13:29 #64 SCSI -400 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1429
    SCSI Exec, HA 1, TA 0, LUN 0, buffer 0x035F0000
    Status: 0x04 (0x01, SCSI_ERR)
    HA-Status 0x00 (0x00, OK)
    TA-Status 0x02 (0x01, SCSI_TASTATUS_CHKCOND)
    Sense Key: 0x04 (KEY_HARDWARE_ERROR)
    Sense Code: 0x03
    Sense Qual: 0x01
    CDB Data: 0x2A 0x00 0x00 0x10 0xF3 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x20 0x00 0x00 0x00
    Sense Data: 0xF1 0x00 0x04 0x00 0x10 0xF0 0x00 0x0A
    0x00 0x32 0x00 0x00 0x03 0x01

    06:13:29 #65 CDR -400 File Writer.cpp, Line 311
    Unspecified target error

    06:13:29 #66 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 229
    all writers idle, stopping conversion

    06:13:29 #67 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 223
    conversion idle, stopping reader

    06:13:29 #68 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 2338
    EndDAO: Last written address was 1110783

    06:13:30 #69 Text 0 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1719
    Set remaining time: 0:00,000 (0ms) -> OK

    06:13:30 #70 Text 0 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1719
    Set remaining time: 0:00,000 (0ms) -> OK

    06:13:30 #71 Phase 38 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1861
    Burn process failed at 2x (2,770 KB/s)


    Existing drivers:
    File 'Drivers\PXHELP20.SYS': Ver=2.03.01a, size=20368 bytes, created 13/11/2004 12:02:00 (Prassi/Veritas driver for win 2K)
    File 'Drivers\atapi.sys': Ver=5.1.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158), size=95360 bytes, created 04/08/2004 01:59:42 (Adapter driver for rec)

    Registry Keys:
    HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\WinLogon\AllocateCDROMs : 0 (Security Option)
     
  2. Rotary

    Rotary Senior member

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    hi

    odd one? go4 too media,,,

    just use divxtodvd to make your avi to vob/ifo/bup and burn with nero burning rom to dvdr
     
  3. baabaa

    baabaa Active member

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    You have some memory hungry resources running in the background, not much 'gogo' room to play with.

    I would suggest you stop some of your processes (multitasking), this will help, but may not cure...................

    Have you managed to use this burner to burn anything else with Nero, as it also appears there is a comms issue between Nero and your burner.

    Uninstall/reinstall your burner.

    Download Nero's cleantool and uninstall Nero and clean it up.

    http://www.nero.com/eng/Clean_Tools.html

    Reinstall, do not install the InCD option.

    Also disable Windows internal burning option, open my computer, right click on your burner, click on properties, click on recording and disable there.

    See if that helps any, but I would recommend you find out what programs are running in the background and stop them....................
     
    Last edited: Jun 12, 2005
  4. torrok

    torrok Guest

    Thanks baabaa, I have used the MATSHITA UJ-820D successfuly with Nero before, however I think you hit the nail on the head here.....i had far to many things going on in the background. I disabled some stuff, also disabled the windows burner and had a successful burn with Nero. Thanks for your assistance! Thanks also to Rotary for his DivxtoDVD advice i will try this method for future files. :)
     
  5. baabaa

    baabaa Active member

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    No problems, glad we could help.

    And [bold]Welcome to Afterdawn[/bold]

     
  6. squizzle

    squizzle Active member

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    Just in case you continue to have issues, I have noticed some other things here that might need attention. First is ASPI
    You have a Nero ASPI but no Windows ASPI. This could be a problem, but then again it may not be. If you don't continue to have problems, I'd say just leave it alone.
    This is an outdated version of Nero. They are up to 6.6.0.13 I think, I use 6.6.0.12. I'd update this whether you have problems or not.
    This along with all of this:
    makes me think the computer is having issues with the burner. The ASPI thing may solve this, the Nero update may also.

    Have you done any successful burns with this drive before? Also, I noticed your media says RitekG - 04. Mine say Ritek G04 (no dash). I suspect mine as being fakes, maybe this is an indicator?? Are you using the Ridata or just regular Ritek?
     
  7. torrok

    torrok Guest

    Hello squizzle, tanks for the input although much of what you mention is lost on me i`m afraid.....I have no clue what `aspi` means let alone how to correct it or add it or whatever lol. I am not computer literate. I stagger along reading the various guides on Afterdawn to accomplish whatever particular task i am attempting......just learning as i go along....mostly through making mistakes and (hopefully) learning from them.

    Regarding my media (your refering to my blank DVD-R yes?) I have never even heard of Ritek I dont know why it should show up on my log? I used Maxell single sided DVD-R bought from PC World here in the UK.

    I have never had any problems with Nero before this particular burn, it always worked well in conjuction with the Matshita burner.

    Like i said previously thanks for the input, but for fear of meddling with stuff i know nothing about (aspi) I think it best i left well alone in case i screw things up completely, knowing me thats more than a 99% probability lol
     
  8. creaky

    creaky Moderator Staff Member

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    Nero 6.6.0.0 was what i was using flawlessly for a long time until a few weeks ago. I had no reason to upgrade, just thought it was about time i did so.

    ASPI - download it here - http://www.afterdawn.com/software/cdr_software/cdr_tools/aspi.cfm and run it.

    If you really want you can run Nero's info-tool and click on the aspi tab afterwards and it will show everything to be fine-
    [​IMG]
     
  9. creaky

    creaky Moderator Staff Member

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    ...i missed something - the Ritek question -

    Download dvdinfopro (free) and run a media info check (2nd icon from top left in dvdinfopro). One of the things you will see is the media ID code In this example -

    Maxell DVD-R 1x (RITEKG03....)

    - it's a Ritek g03 disk. Now i'm no Ritek expert as i don't use them (well not knowingly anyway). No real reason, i just prefer to stick to verbatim datalifeplus.

    I use Verbatim 8speed DVD-R primarily, and their media code is MCC02RG20 or similar. (However some Verbatim discs have a media code of CMC MAG or whatever and they're atrocious). Anyway i digress, the point is that the media code gives a better clue as to who made a disc and/or the quality of the disc can be better established

    Hope that helps
     
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  10. squizzle

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    Ritek used to be a pretty reputable company, but lately their quality is mixed. Most store bought media isn't made by who is on the label (eg Memorex can be made by a handful of manufacturers, and all of which can be found in the same batch of discs, but most of them are crap). I am currently questioning my own Ritek G04 discs, as creaky and a few others know.

    Follow up on the ASPI thing (check the link that creaky gave you), here is an excerpt from a thread explaining ASPI a bit, hopefully it helps:

    [bold]<11>What is ASPI and do I need it?
    The term 'ASPI' is an acronym that stands for: Advanced SCSI Programming Interface. All the following terms are synonymous: ASPI layer, ASPI drivers, ASPI interface. The term 'SCSI' [scuzzy] is an acronym that stands for Small Computer Systems Interface. An ASPI layer consists of four files that 'lie between' various programs [software] and certain devices, such as CD/DVD-ROM drives and CD/DVD burners/writers [hardware]. Software programs such as CD digital audio extractors [commonly known as 'Rippers'] and CD-writing utilities such as CDRWin use/require ASPI drivers to 'communicate with' SCSI devices. Many people don't realize however, that the files contained in an ASPI layer are also used in systems that *don't* contain a SCSI adapter, or SCSI devices .. for things such as ripping CD audio and burning CD/DVDs.
    ASPI DOWNLOAD http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/su...duct/ASPI-4.70&filekey=aspi_471a2.exe&sess=no
    [/bold]
     
  11. Rotary

    Rotary Senior member

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    hi

    i used ritek go4 then came go5 so i use those now, i find these very good, and to note i always buy from the same website, they list the codes and any changes on site for customers to see and not be caught out...
     
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    creaky Moderator Staff Member

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    yup, i use them too (www.svp.co.uk), but i dunno why they have 2 different website names, i guess it's to attract more customers.
     
    Last edited: Jun 15, 2005
  14. torrok

    torrok Guest

    [bold]Creaky[/bold]
    Downloaded the file and ran the nero tool as you suggested Creaky - As you said everything is fine. Thanks for your help.

    [bold]squizzle[/bold]
    Thanks for posting the explanation of ASPI, I at least now have an idea of what it was i didnt have(lol) I appreciate you guys taking the time to help/advise.
     
  15. creaky

    creaky Moderator Staff Member

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    ok, no worries, i just find the whol ASPI thing annoying. I'm still not 100% whether it's needed in XP, no matter how many times i read up on it, i'm still none the wiser.

    I've always installed it and it doesn't make things worse, plus i never read about installing it making problems so that's good enough for me. Basically as long as it's not corrupted, it should be fine.
     
  16. Rotary

    Rotary Senior member

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    hi

    @ baabaa

    I use http://www.blankdiscshop.co.uk

    you answered for me - hehehe...

    these guys are great i ordered once and only got half the order i emailed at 8.00am and within 14 minutes i got the reply - the rest will be sent in the morning blar blar sorry blar

    and yes it came next day!

    Brilliant spot on team!
     
  17. baabaa

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    LOL, yes they provide such an efficient aftersales support, any problems or issues you get, you always receive an immediate response, polite, and satisfactory.

    Good competitive prices, and provide you with all the information you require.

    To make a good company, the aftersales makes it for me, no matter who you are, you will encounter issues, and they operate in such a professional manner, I'll never use anyone else.

    I have been using them for a couple of years now for most my media and other stuff, to tell you the truth, I have never found another company that has such good working practises.
     
  18. creaky

    creaky Moderator Staff Member

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    i find them very quick, efficient and their returns process is the best i've come across, by a very long shot
     
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    Any returns, and freepost aswell........................can't say better than that....................
     
  20. torrok

    torrok Guest

    OK baabaa and Creaky ya got me....I`ll get all my discs from http://www.blankdiscshop.co.uk from here in.....I hope you guys are on commision! lol
     

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