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NeroVision Epxress appears to be creating VOB navigation_packets that my DVD player does not like.

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  1. waltersbg

    waltersbg Member

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    I have learned more than I ever wanted to about DVD video format in the past two weeks! I've been staying up late each night trying to solve a mystery:

    Why does my new Toshiba SD-R5372 DVD +/- R/RW drive produce DVD's with NeroVision Express (3.0.1.27) that can not be played on my Apex AD-1100W DVD player. And yet, these DVD's can be played on other players and I can use other authoring software to produce DVD's which will play on my Apex! THAT is the mystery which has kept me up at night.

    By the way, "can not be played" means that the Apex will bring up the root menu fine but any attempts to play a title results in the Apex basically freezing or at least going into super slow mode in which it takes several seconds to respond to any button presses.

    I think I've figured out the root cause, but I don't understand the reason that it is happening or how (if possible to tell NeroVision to stop doing it). I'm hoping that some real guru (like ccampbell from Ahead software) will take pity on me and explain it to me.

    The bottom line (and I can give lots of gory details if you want) is that the difference between a DVD which will play and one which will not is in the VTS_0x_1.VOB files themselves. Specifically, it is location 0x421 of the Navigation Packets. This field is, I guess, defined as part of the "general information" part of the Navigation Packet. It is called DSI_GI 1a in the documents I have seen. This is supposed to be a "reserved" field.

    Here is an excerpt from vboedit showing what I mean:

    [DSI Stream]
    DSI General Information
    [0407] system clock reference 0
    [040b] this->lba 0
    [040f] VOBU end address - relative 84
    [0413] VOBU first reference frame end block 80
    [0417] VOBU second reference frame end block 0
    [041b] VOBU third reference frame end block 0
    [041f] VOB ID 1
    [0421] Reserved 1
    [0422] Cell ID 1
    [0423] Cell elapsed time (BCD) 192

    Note that the Reserved value at location [421] is "1". If I go through the .vob with vobedit and change NOTHING except for going into each Navigation Packet and modifying that one field to a "0", my DVDs will now play in my Apex player. .vobs produced from the same source .mpegs by other Authoring programs (freeware dvdauthor-based stuff) puts a "0" in this field.

    What is going on? Why is NVE putting a "1" into this reserved field? Why does my Apex AD-1100W not like it but other DVD players don't mind? Why am I apparently the first person to have this problem of NVE-produced DVD's freezing up when attempting to play titles off the menu (I haven't been able to find anybody else discussing this problem on any forum).

    Sorry for the long-winded post. I wanted to give all the pertinent details so that nobody would have to waste time digging more info out of me.

    I hope someone can help. At the very least, I hope that I've identified some kind of bug in NVE that can be fixed in the next release! :)

    Thanks,
    Mike
     
  2. neo83318

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    I've been having the same problem, of freezing of my back up's,During menus or when i select certain options(ie .. Special Feat)or after prevues.Ever since i updated to the nerovision the one with the ultra buffer.If know how to fix this let me know
     
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    neo83318:

    Are you specifically talking only about DVD's produced with NeroVision Express that you're trying to play in an Apex DVD player? If not, what DVD authoring programs have you tried and what DVD player?

    Does this happen with every DVD you produce and every title you try to select from the root menu? If it is something that is kind of random, I would suspect your media more than your authoring program or your DVD player. Have you tried different media?

    Mike
     
  4. neo83318

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    waltersbg:
    Yes every dvd i made with NeroVision Express does this
    My player is a panasonic SA-HT650. But when i use DVDshrink they come out fine. Ever since I updated to NeroVision Express (3.0.1.14) it started doing this.
    As for my media I've only used Memorex (But I've read on
    this site it sucks I don't know).
     

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