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Discussion in 'DVD Shrink forum' started by jay69, Nov 5, 2004.

  1. jay69

    jay69 Member

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    I'm confused on how to decrypt a movie with decrypter. according to the guide you can use decrypter if the disc you are backing up is less than 4.7gb but some people use it to decrypt movies larger than 4.7gb and then use dvdshrink. How exactly is this done? How do you save it as in your hard drive and will dvdshrink burn it directly or do you need nero? thanks any help would be appreciated.
     
  2. ScubaPete

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    Hi there Jay69, welcome to aD,

    It is a pleasure to see someone who is not too lazy to do a little looking on their own.I had given up hope for pple such as you. YOU MADE MY DAY.

    So since you were so good to me, here is something for you - it's a nice easy guide that will have you backing up DVD's no matter what their size :)

    Check it out, it's about the middle of the page and it's totally complete -

    http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/2/74599

    Enjoy my friend -

    Pete

     
  3. RedAnt

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    Scuba Pete to the rescue, just follow his suggestion and you should be ok (The man is a great wealth of information as well as a nice guy). He has helped a lot of us here at Afterdawn.
     
  4. jay69

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    thanks scuba pete...will give it a shot! will let you know how it turns out. :)
     
  5. jay69

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    It worked!! :) thanks for the tip scuba pete! was able to backup some old dvds i had.
    Question though...on some dvds i tried to backup i get an error message saying the disc is encrypted and the operation halts. On some other forums people say they use decrypter first to decrypt the movie then use shrink to burn. Is this correct too?
     
  6. ScubaPete

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    jay69,

    Should you find that DVD Shrink is having problems with a disc, open DVD Decrypter and rip the DVD with that. After backing up more than 800 DVD's, I haven't encountered a single instance where DVD Decrypter failed to do the job. :D)

    If ripping with DVD Decrypter in the "Default" mode doesn't seem to be doing the job, go to "Tools", "Settings", "File" "Mode" then "tick" Remove PUO's" . If you're ripping in the "ISO", "Read", "Mode" "tick" "Remove PUO's" there also. IMPORTANT: While you're here, go to the "I/O" tab and in the bottom right-hand side "tick" "Ignore read errors," an excellent setting when working with a disc with a corrupt file or two then click "OK" and endeavor to rip again.
    ] I feel that nothing can beat ripping the DVD using the "ISO", "Read", "Mode" and then using "File", "Open disc Image " in DVD Shrink to open the ISO image then processing as usual then burn to disc with DVD Decrypter.
    HINT: Don't forget to go back to DVD Decrypter after ripping to reset the "Mode" to "ISO" "Write".

    Cheers,

    Pete

    Once again, report back on your progress, OK ? I'll be waiting -
     
  7. jakobY1

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    I've done dozens of back-ups now with DVD Shrink + Nero combo without any problems - and was just curious as to what I would need DVD Decryptor for? Not trying to insult the program or anything, am just genuinely curious as to what it does that Shrink doesn't do?
     
  8. ScubaPete

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    You are the one who was having trouble because DVD Shrink wasn't breaking the encryption -

    It has nothing to do with "insult", Shrink just doesn't do them all - I thought I was plain - read the beginning of my post -

    Cheers,

     
  9. jay69

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    hey scubapete once again you came thru!! was able to back up my copy of rasing helen which was having trouble being decrypted with shrink and my dvd x copy platinum. Decrypter did it with ease!!! :) You're the man!! :)
     
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    Hey there jay69,

    Hey, we're glad you're burning up a storm :)
    Consider this an invitation, stop on back, don't be a stranger, you're welcome even if you don't have problems to solve -

    You can just "Hang out" and read some, improve your knowledge, help others if you can spot their problem, 3 heads are better than 2 (said the Cyclops to the Ogre) Or you could hang out in the "Safety Valve," a forum for gossiping about anything and everything under the sun :)

    Check de place out, you just might find a little something that'll interest you -

    Me ? Hey, I'll be over there, out from under that broiling hot sun, under the "Potted" Palm, right next to the water cooler. Just chewin' the fat and waiting for the next Newbie who needs a bit "O" help - Stop by and say "Howdy" -

    I'll be lQQking forward to Sea'n you,

    Cheers my friend,

    Pete :p)
     
  11. brobear

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    Another good source for DVD Shrink guides and information is at DVDshrink.info. Here's the link that goes directly to the guide section. http://www.dvdshrink.info/guides.php ddlooping is the author and he worked closely with the author of DVD Shrink in the development of the program. The guides go from the simple to how to use the edit functions. Several of the guides are interactive making them easier to understand. Sometimes a picture is worth a thousand words. Hmmm... where did I here that? ;)
     
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    Thanks scubapete and brobear! Will do! :)
     
  13. brobear

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    jay69
    Glad to be of help. Hope you enjoy the forum and come back to visit.

    Regards,
    Brobear
     
  14. JK231974

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    Scuba Pete, I was hoping you could help me as well. I'm trying unsuccessfully to back up the movie Hero (just released on 11/30. I noticed someone else posted a request regarding the same issue, but the answer he was given didn't help me. I'm using DVDShrink and have had great success, however, when I analyze Hero, I get to 45% complete and I get a "Programming Error--Cyclical Reference Error" I've also tried DVD Decrypter and had the same problem. Since I can't get the files to the hard drive, I can't complete the backup. Any suggestions?
     
  15. brobear

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    The name isn't Pete, but maybe I can help. Try using AnyDVD along with DVD Decrypter or DVD Shrink (any program for that matter). AnyDVD is a decrypter that is kept up to date more than most. It has a good trial period (download from SlySoft), so you can get a good feel as to whether you like it or not. If AnyDVD with Decrypter won't read the disc, then you have a disc problem or something is possibly wrong with your PC setup. Try the AnyDVD trial, that way you'll really know where your problem lies. Let us know what happens.

    Make sure the disc surface is clean and smudge free, wipe with a soft cotton cloth, old Ts are good. Hopefully there are a minimum of scratches, these cause read problems as well.
     
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  16. ScubaPete

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    Hi there, JK231974, welcome to our little club,

    I think if you "tweak" DVD Decrypter just a little you may have better results -

    Are you ready ?

    Great ! I'd like you to check your DVD Decrypter's settings. First, it should be version 3.5.1.0. Go to "Tools", "Settings", set everything to "Default". Then in the "General" tab change, "Removal Method" from "Normal" to "Aggressive", in "File Mode", "tick" Remove PUO's." For ripping in the "ISO, Read Mode", "tick" "Remove PUO's" there also. in the "CSS" tab, under "CSS Cracking Method", choose "Brute Force ~> I/O Key Exchange" and "On Failure" choose "Yes". . IMPORTANT: In the "I / O" tab, in the bottom right, "tick" the box which says, "Ignore read errors". This is an excellent setting for dealing with lightly scratched discs which may cause ripping problems.

    HINT: If you are going to burn with DVD Decrypter, DON'T FORGET TO - go back to DVD Decrypter after ripping, to reset the "Mode" from "File" to "ISO - Write".

    Now, take that "Puppy" out for a spin and see if it doesn't do a better job :)

    Cheers,

    Pete

    Don't forget to stop back and tell us how you did -
     
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    In DVD Decrypter, I keep getting not enough space on disk to burn this image. What am I doing wrong?
     
  18. ScubaPete

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    Seems like the beginners are having a problem understanding some of the basics. This post has a lot of info and a bunch pertains to DVD Decrypter and Shrink.

    Info for beginners: (I'll mention a few popular programs, but there are others of these types.)
    Backing up factory DVD movies has 3 basic steps and a few things to remember. The steps are 1)Decrypt/deCSS; 2)Encode/Transcode (Fit to the target disc, shrink when necessary); and 3)Burn.

    You can have one program that does it all, some programs do a couple of the steps and some only do one step or one step at a time.

    Decrypting can be done with driver type decrypters like AnyDVD or with apps such as DVD Decrypter or DVD Shrink.

    DVD Decrypter is used to decrypt and rip files to the (HD) hard drive. If DVD Decrypter is going to be used as a burner, 2 important things have to be remembered.
    1)Use the ISO read mode to decrypt and
    2)the file size has to be below 4.37 (GB) gigabytes.
    If the file is above 4.37GB, DVD Decrypter cannot burn the ISO file to a 4.7GB disc. [Note: 4.7 is a retail designation for a disc; the actual size of a 4.7 disc that a computer reads is 4.37GB.] File size is important to know.

    DVD Shrink can be used to decrypt and rip to the HD. Normally though, Shrink is used to decrypt a disc, using a temporary file, and transcoding the file in preparation to be burned. Nero isn't part of Shrink, but is the default app that Shrink uses to burn automatically. Shrink can also use DVD Decrypter in ISO burn mode and CopytoDVD can also be used. I suggest Nero, as DVD Shrink is already set to use it.

    There are a number of transcoding programs, browsing the forums can get a lot of info on those. It's already been mentioned what they do. Just remember, simply speaking, this step is to prep the file for burning.

    There are a number of apps on the market now. Due to laws, most of the popular recording programs now are trancoding and burning programs. These recording programs have to have a decrypter. With a driver type decrypter the program runs as though it was one of the older ripper programs that did everything. With the manual type decrypters the files are ripped to the HD and the file then has to be opened by the recording program.

    Burner or recording programs are either incorporated into programs or are separate in recording suites. I mentioned Nero as it is a favorite on many forums and a favorite of mine. There are others.

    This should give you a bit of an idea of what is going on. Good quick guides for DVD Shrink can be found at http://www.dvdshrink.info and good comprehensive guides on DVD Shrink and DVD Decrypter can be found at http://www.doom9.org . Downloads for Nero can be gotten at the Nero website and there are guides as well if needed. Nero has unlimited 30 day full function trials for the Nero suite.
     
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  20. ctljones

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    Hi I'm new to DVD Decrypter & DVD Shrink so I tried to backup a movie for my kids yesterday with these two programs & also Nero & I ran into a problem after it was 100% burned it failed & I also used Maxell DVD-R.

    Can somebody help me please, here is the log I got:

    Windows XP 5.1
    IA32
    WinAspi: -
    ahead WinASPI: File 'C:\Program Files\Ahead\Nero\Wnaspi32.dll': Ver=2.0
    .1.68, size=160016 bytes, created 7/22/2004 4:33:44 PM
    Nero API version: 6.3.1.25
    Using interface version: 6.3.1.4
    Installed in: C:\Program Files\Ahead\Nero\
    Application: ahead\Nero - Burning Rom
    Recorder:
    Version: UYS1 - HA 1 TA 1 - 6.3.1.25
    Adapter driver: HA 1
    Drive buffer : 2048kB
    Bus Type : default (0) -> ATAPI, detected: ATAPI

    === Scsi-Device-Map ===
    DiskPeripheral : ST380011A
    atapi Port 0 ID 0 DMA: On
    CdRomPeripheral : COMPAQ CRD-8322B
    atapi Port 1 ID 0 DMA: Off
    CdRomPeripheral : SONY DVD RW DW-U18A
    atapi Port 1 ID 1 DMA: On

    === CDRom-Device-Map ===
    COMPAQ CRD-8322B D: CDRom0
    SONY DVD RW DW-U18A E: CDRom1
    =======================

    AutoRun : 1
    Excluded drive IDs:
    WriteBufferSize: 40894464 (0) Byte
    ShowDrvBufStat : 0
    BUFE : 0
    Physical memory : 255MB (261680kB)
    Free physical memory: 67MB (68632kB)
    Memory in use : 73 %
    Uncached PFiles: 0x0
    Use Static Write Speed Table: 0
    Use Inquiry : 1
    Global Bus Type: default (0)
    Check supported media : Disabled (0)

    1.12.2004
    NeroAPI
    11:04:28 AM #1 Phase 112 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 273
    DVD-Video files reallocation started

    11:04:28 AM #2 Phase 114 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 273
    DVD-Video files reallocation completed (no file modified)

    11:04:28 AM #3 Phase 111 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 273
    DVD-Video files sorted

    11:04:29 AM #4 Text 0 File Reader.cpp, Line 126
    Reader running

    11:04:29 AM #5 Text 0 File AudioCompilationImpl.cpp, Line 817
    DRM: StartDrmRecording(RealRec:1, ImageRec:0, Copies:1)
    DRM: Beginning burn process.

    11:04:29 AM #6 Text 0 File Writer.cpp, Line 124
    Writer SONY DVD RW DW-U18A running

    11:04:29 AM #7 ISO9660GEN -11 File geniso.cpp, Line 3899
    First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)

    11:04:29 AM #8 ISO9660GEN -11 File geniso.cpp, Line 3899
    First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)

    11:04:29 AM #9 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3152
    Turn on Disc-At-Once, using DVD media

    11:04:30 AM #10 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 247
    Last possible write address on media:
    2298495 (510:46.45, 4489MB)
    Last address to be written:
    2286191 (508:02.41, 4465MB)

    11:04:30 AM #11 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 259
    Write in overburning mode: NO

    11:04:30 AM #12 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 2162
    Recorder: SONY DVD RW DW-U18A, Media type: DVD-R
    Disc Manufacturer: MXL RG - 02
    Disc Application Code: 64, Disc Physical Code: 193

    11:04:30 AM #13 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 420
    >>> Protocol of DlgWaitCD activities: <<<
    =========================================

    11:04:30 AM #14 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 813
    Setup items (after recorder preparation)
    0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 (CTransferItem)
    2 indices, index0 (150) not provided
    original disc pos #0 + 2286192 (2286192) =
    #2286192/508:2.42
    relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/
    required, no patch infos
    -> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0
    0 blocks, length 2286192 blocks
    [SONY DVD RW DW-U18A ]
    --------------------------------------------------------------

    11:04:30 AM #15 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp,
    Line 984
    Prepare recorder [SONY DVD RW DW-U18A ] for write in
    CUE-sheet-DAO
    DAO infos:
    ==========
    MCN: ""
    TOCType: 0x00; Session Closed, disc fixated
    Tracks 1 to 1:
    1: TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x00, FilePos 0 0 4682121216, ISRC ""
    DAO layout:
    ===========
    __Start_|____Track_|_Idx_|_RecDep_|_CtrlAdr_
    0 | lead-in | 0 | 0x00 | 0x41
    0 | 1 | 0 | 0x00 | 0x41
    0 | 1 | 1 | 0x00 | 0x41
    2286192 | lead-out | 1 | 0x00 | 0x41

    11:04:31 AM #16 Phase 24 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 273
    Caching of files started

    11:04:31 AM #17 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 4163
    Cache writing successful.

    11:04:31 AM #18 Phase 25 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 273
    Caching of files completed

    11:04:31 AM #19 Phase 36 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 273
    Burn process started at 2x (2,770 KB/s)

    11:04:31 AM #20 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp,
    Line 2344
    Verifying disc position of item 0 (relocatable,
    disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0

    11:04:32 AM #21 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 2000
    Recording mode: Sequential Recording Mode

    11:04:32 AM #22 Text 0 File Mmc.cpp, Line 20660
    Set BUFE: Buffer under-run error protection -> ON ,
    Generic write control : ON

    11:04:32 AM #23 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 2141
    Start write address at LBA 0
    DVD high compatibility mode: Yes

    11:04:32 AM #24 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 8230
    ---- DVD Structure: Physical Format Information (00h) ----
    Layer: 0, Address: 0 (0 h), AGID: 0; Length: 2050
    Book Type: DVD-R (2), Part Version: 5
    Disc Size: 120 mm, Maximum Rate:
    (F h)
    Number of Layers: 1, Track Path: Parallel Track Path
    (PTP), Layer Type: recordable
    Linear Density: 0,267 um/bit, Track Density:
    0,74 um/track

    Starting Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 30000 h
    (DVD-ROM, DVD-R/-RW, DVD+R/+RW)
    End Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 0 h
    End Sector Number in Layer 0: 0 h
    Data in Burst Cutting Area (BCA) does not exist
    Start sector number of the current Border-Out: 0 h
    Start sector number of the next Border-In: 0 h
    Media Specific [16..63]:
    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................

    11:04:58 AM #25 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1297
    11:04:58.368 - SONY DVD RW DW-U18A\H1 T1 : Queue again later

    11:05:38 AM #26 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1297
    11:05:38.385 - SONY DVD RW DW-U18A\H1 T1 : Queue again later

    11:34:31 AM #27 Text 0 File WriterStatus.cpp, Line 115
    start writing Lead-Out at
    LBA 2286192 (22E270h), lenght 0 blocks

    11:34:31 AM #28 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 229
    all writers idle, stopping conversion

    11:34:31 AM #29 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 2383
    EndDAO: Last written address was 2286191

    11:36:25 AM #30 SCSI -1176 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1191
    SCSI Exec, HA 1, TA 1, LUN 0
    Status: 0x04 (0x01, SCSI_ERR)
    HA-Status 0x00 (0x00, OK)
    TA-Status 0x02 (0x01, SCSI_TASTATUS_CHKCOND)
    Sense Key: 0x05 (KEY_ILLEGAL_REQUEST)
    Sense Code: 0x72
    Sense Qual: 0x02
    CDB Data: 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00
    0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00
    Sense Data: 0x71 0x00 0x05 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x0A
    0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x72 0x02

    11:36:25 AM #31 CDR -1176 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp,
    Line 1708
    Session fixation error

    11:36:25 AM #32 TRANSFER -24 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp,
    Line 1708
    Could not perform end of Disc-at-once

    11:36:25 AM #33 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 2383
    EndDAO: Last written address was -1

    11:36:25 AM #34 Phase 38 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 273
    Burn process failed at 2x (2,770 KB/s)

    11:36:25 AM #35 Text 0 File AudioCompilationImpl.cpp, Line 828
    DRM: DRM burn session terminated.

    11:36:25 AM #36 Text 0 File AudioCompilationImpl.cpp, Line 857
    DRM: Closing entire DRM handling. Bye.


    Existing drivers:

    Registry Keys:
    HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\WinLogon\AllocateCDROMs : 0 (Security Option)
     
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