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NTSC convertor to PAL HELP !!!

Discussion in 'DVD±R for advanced users' started by Rotary, Jul 1, 2003.

  1. Rotary

    Rotary Senior member

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    hi all

    i have just ripped and burnt jungle book 2 and its NTSC ! but i'm on my PAL region playstation 2 and area! it plays in black and white only?

    is there a program to convert NTSC films to PAL?

    or is there another way at ripping it? any help would be great!

    Thank you..
     
  2. Greengo1

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    Have you tried putting your scart lead that goes into the back of your tv, into a different socket ?

    I had a similar problem and then found out that swapping them around solved it. I originally popped the lead into the first available socket. Pal dvd's played in colour but region 1 and backup games played in B&W. My PS2 is modded by the way which is why it will play region 1 discs.

    It might cure it... then again...
     
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    Convertign between NTSC and PAL is not a fun process. The easiest option is to use Canopus Procoder to re-encode the movie -> thi sprogram takes care of everything from framerate, to resolution, to audio sync (although you still have to re-encode the audio to MP2 or AC3).
    If you don't have access to this program, you can try this guide out:
    http://www.dvdrhelp.com/forum/userguides/78178.php
    I tried this process out once, but never got the audio to sync, so let us know if you get it to work.
     
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    Rotary I read somewhere you could use decrypter to get the vob's and ifo from the dvd. Then run the Vobs through DVD2AVI and get a .d2v file and an audio file which then can be loaded into TMPGEnc for encoding into DVD Pal. Then Use TMPGEnc Dvd Authoring to make the new vob's an ifo from the Mpeg that TMPGEnc Created._X_X_X_X_X_[small]Despite All My Rage - I'm Still Just A Rat In A Cage!
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  5. Rotary

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    hi

    thx guys i will check that link and keep on it!

    Thx...
     
  6. Rotary

    Rotary Senior member

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    hi

    thx Labrat

    i have done what you say and got a .d2v file and a .ac3 and .dts for sound but i cant load those into TMPGEnc ?

    i can load m2v but cant get a sound source in?

    not reconizsed format?

    can you help me on this please?

    Thank you!
     
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    Just want to clarify that you know TMPGEnc and TMPGEnc DVD Author are not the same program. If you new this, i apologise for the newbie like term.

    Chris
     
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    hi all

    hey there Oriphus,

    Nar? i didnt know they were 2 proggys? but i have only got to the part of the first!

    i cant laod any sound? so as to get a pal version...

    do you have any ideas how to get to pal from ntsc, sort of another work round as this one has stumped me.

    Thx...
     
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    I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter that you can't load the sound into tempgenc.
    You can process the video in tempgenc and at the end of it all do a Simple Multiplex within the tools section to join your video and AC3 file, even though it isn't a recognised format for processing.

    Of course, that's after you have edited the soundtrack in a program such as Sound Forge. The trick here is to take a note of how many frames of video were processed in Tempgenc and divide this by 25 so you know exactly how long your movie lasts and thus how long your soundtrack file should be.

     
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    I've managed to find an old guide that someone sent me. It's complicated stuff but it works.
    Here goes...

    < only ever gets more complicated if doing NTSC to PAL. We take the NTSC
    original rips, load them into DVD2AVI and set the forced film flag before
    saving the project file (that marks the footage as 23.976 fps FILM -which it
    is on legit NTSC DVD movies- and strips away all the 3:2 pull down info
    stops TMPEG treating it as 30fps footage). If you then set 'do not rate
    convert' in tmpegs advanced dialog you then get 1 second and a frame of
    FILM footage turned into one second (25 frames) of PAL so theres no padding
    frames added by the encoder during the NTSC->PAL conversion that can make
    things jerky when playing back (most obvious in panning shots as the
    repeated frame to make 24 frames of film become 25 frames of PAL really
    shows up then if you let the encoder do the conversion with the rate
    converted)

    For straight same standard conversion you'd then be done, for those NTSC
    ->Pal conversions using above method you got a thankless soundforge task
    still to go - the new PAL movie will be 4pcnt shorter run time than the
    original NTSC and cinema release (as per legit PAL releases), but the sound file
    will be the original length.
    Load the sound into soundforge and use time compress option to set the time of the original runtime down to that of the new PAL
    runtime (take the number of frames tmpeg encoded and divide by 25 to get
    time in seconds and points of a second convert that into hours mins and
    points of a second).

    Killer is soundforge just isnt all that accurate (over the course of a 2hr movie it'll be 600 milliseconds out which means more and
    more audio drift as you get to the end of the movie) Nearly scuppered us
    doing PAL conversions till I came up with a solution... divide the length of
    the movie into 3 min chunks eg 30 chunks for 90 min movie then divide the
    drift by that number (400ms drift over 1hr 30 = 13 milliseconds per 3 min
    chunk) set a 1 second selection at 3mins into the wav file then use time
    compress expand to expand that to 1.013 seconds repeat at 6 mins stage etc
    and eventually after 30 of them the audio will match the length of the movie
    exactly (it'll go out of sync by 13 ms each 3 mins but thats negligable
    deflection and the next expand along will bring it back on sync again and so
    on as it goes through the movie)

    we tried originally with 10minute chunks but those were too crude
    (especially in shallow hal) on Pc the 10 min chunks work but on some VCD
    players they're just too long and the sync issue rears its head again Still
    at expiremental stage but i reckon should work fine with 3 min chunks. >



    Thanks to Stu for sending me this guide when I was just starting out.
     
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    hi all

    thx - HeeHawBoz for searches!

    WOW this is getting hard - but i do like a challenge! ok nice one Labrat i have read the like and will give it a go, i will fly through the first part and leave decoding 5 to 15 hours over night! as it says, but that depends weather i want it good quality after?

    i will report back with my finding and experiences...

    And any other help or ways round this please post!

    Thx...

    EDIT: er just one thing? i end up with an mpeg file! how do i get that to .VOBs for a PAL DVD ?

    thx...

     
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    hi all

    so after loading into tmpgenc and using filter to pal version i will have a pal film but the sound wont be right?

    i will end up with a mpeg with pal slower frames ok! but sound too fast as its still ntsc ?

    HELP!
     
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    hi all

    Well after all this i have a DVD...

    Ok, tools used!

    DVDDecrypter = Strip/Rip main movie out of NTSC film/DVD

    DVD2AVI = Load .VOB's then create .d2v file, Also Sound file AC3 2CH 148Kbps 44Khz .WAV

    TMPGEnc Plus = Load .d2v & Sound file AC3 and using PAL MPEG2 template. End up with a MPEG2 file

    TMPGEnc DVD Author = Load MPEG2 file (couldnt load wave? so used MPEG2 file for sound and source aswell) probably good job as the sound sync may have been out!

    and wahay! DVD from NTSC to PAL !

    Now there are mega settings to remember but hell its been a long ol day and i'm tired but if needed just post and i'll try to go through it with you!

    AND THANK YOU ALL !!!

    great site!

    oh and if i got things out of order sorry bit tired....

    EDIT!

    Ok i got a problem? when i used dvd author i must of cocked it up? so can someone tell me waht files i should have on my burned DVD now i got these!

    VTS_01_0.ifo

    VTS_01_1.vob
    VTS_01_2.vob
    VTS_01_3.vob
    VTS_01_4.vob

    now should i have a file VTS_01_0 ?????

    and if these files are ok how do i check the ifo is correct?

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    hi all

    i have done it !!!

    just needs fine tuning for better quality at one stage it said 5 hours to change from one to another so i lowered settings to 3 hours so lost quality!

    but hey i got there!

    http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/40582

    THANK YOU ALL ON THE HELP !!!
     

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