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Discussion in 'Convert DVD to another format' started by NeilMcRae, Feb 12, 2005.

  1. NeilMcRae

    NeilMcRae Member

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    I recently bought a legal registration code for ImTOO DVD Ripper and everytime I use this program to try and rip a DVD to MPEG2, the video and audio are out of sync once the movie is in MPG format. I would like to rip these DVDs so I can modify them in the program "Pinnacle Studio version 9." I would like to make changes to the movies that are on these DVDs such as adding chapter points, deleting already-existing chapter points, and adding extra frames of blackness to the beginning and the end of the movies. I tried using the part of Nero 6 called "Nero Recode" to convert the movies to MPG, but if I do it this way they come out in MPEG4 (MP4) format which I can't bring into Pinnacle Studio so I searched the internet for a way to convert the MP4 to the standard MPG (MPEG2) format and found ImTOO MPEG Encoder. I do not want to waste my money paying the price for the registered version of ImTOO MPEG Encoder if I'm not sure whether or not the movies will go out of sync if I do it this way too. I'm not sure if it's just ImTOO DVD Ripper or if any DVD-ripping program will put my movies out of sync. Do you know a way I can get these movies to keep the same durations that they had on the DVDs once they are in MPG format? I once E-mailed support@imtoo.com regarding another issue which is described in the first post of this following topic, but they didn't seem very helpful
    http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/125735
    They did tell me however that if I choose "Infinite" under “Volume Size,” I can successfully encode the entire movie without getting the message "Warning VBV delay underflows = 158."

    f you have ImTOO DVD Ripper and have had the same problem with the video and audio being out of sync or if you know of a good way to successfully rip DVD movies keeping their same duration once in MPG format, please reply.

    I have been trying to get help for a long time with the issue of the video and audio being out of sync, but not much luck so far.

    Thank you for any info you are able to give me.
    -Neil
     
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  2. bazilla

    bazilla Regular member

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    Hard to say, based on what you write, if this is a problem with your ripper, or Pinnacle Studio. When you say you are ripping them to "mpg", is this mpeg1 or mpeg2? I guess I'm asking whether Pinnacle Studio can work with mpeg2 or not. Because that's all VOB files are, and there should be no need to "convert them to mpg" as such just to edit them like you describe. If Pinnacle can work with mpeg2, it should be able to work with VOB files. Just rip with dvd decrypter in file mode to get a VIDEO_TS folder on your hard drive with the VOB files. If it can work with mpeg2, but not with VOB for some reason, try renaming them with .mpg extensions. And if that doesn't work, just open the VOB files up with MPEG2Cut and save them out again as .MPG files.

    I don't know what went wrong with Nero Recode (I haven't used it much), but it certainly should have given you the option to encode to dvd format (i.e. VOB, which is mpeg2).
     
  3. NeilMcRae

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    I don't think it's a problem with Pinnacle Studio, I think the video and audio are out of sync before I import my DVD-ripped MPEG2 file into Studio. Yah, they should be out of sync before then because like I said above, once in MPG format (after they've been ripped using ImTOO DVD Ripper) these movies don't keep the same durations that they had on the DVDs. I think it's either a problem with ImTOO DVD Ripper or with any ripper, here is what I said above:

    Pinnacle Studio can work with MPEG2 files because I can import them from other sources such as ones that were ripped out of sync using ImTOO DVD Ripper.

    I tried renaming the VOB files (once ripped with DVD Decrypter) to MPG extensions and then I can import them into Pinnacle Studio, but I can't play them in Pinnacle Studio and if I either work in Timeline view or go "Modify Clip Properties," nothing shows up in the preview windows.

    How? MPEG2Cut saves them as VOB files. When I tried saving them out (using MPEG2Cut) (where it normally saves them as VOB files), I tried saving it with a .mpg extension but then once I import this saved as MPG file into Pinnacle Studio, the same thing happens that is described above when renaming VOB files to MPG files.
     
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  4. bazilla

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    Looks like you've answered your own question, though I may not agree. Not every ripper is going to result in out of sync problems with every file. If you think it is your ripper, why not try dvd decrypter instead? It's free.

    It is odd that Pinnacle will not work properly with VOB files. But I wonder it is just the the VOB files in question? I.e., if there is a problem with your ripper, and they are not being ripped correctly, could that be why Pinnacle will open them, but they don't work properly?

    Again, why not give dvd decrypter a shot, and see if that works.
     
  5. NeilMcRae

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    I have DVD Decrypter. It does not rip to MPG format, it rips the DVDs to VOB files that are stored on my hard drive. And I've explained that I have problems importing VOB files (even if I rename them to a .mpg extension) into Pinnacle Studio, the movies need to be ripped to MPG (MPEG2) if I want to import them into Pinnacle Studio.
     
  6. bazilla

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    Let's take a different tack.

    Why don't you see if you can "demux" the video and audio? Will Pinnacle let you add audio to a video stream? You could take your source files, even VOB, demux the video and audio streams, and import them separately into Pinnacle.

    Frankly, if that's the only way to get a normal VOB file into Pinnacle, I'd think carefully about putting Pinnacle up on the shelf, and looking for another video editor.

    I wish I could be more help, but I have no experience with Pinnacle.
     
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    Pinnacle can import VOB files. Take the .VOB and rename to .mpg. You will be able to import it directly to Pinnacle. BUT, there is a problem. Pinnacle uses PCM audio and DVDs use AC3 audio. So you will have a nice picture but no audio. If you can find a way to change your audio to PCM you, theoretically, can add it to Pinnacle and everything should match up. Use DVDdecrypt to seperate the Video from audio, then convert the audio. I haven't tried converting the audio but it should work. I have imported the VOB files into pinnacle using the method I stated and got a good picture..no audio With a converted audio track it should work fine. They have some decoders at http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/software2.htm I'll try some out later and post what I get. If anyone finds something that works let me know!!
     
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    We tried renaming the VOB files to MPG extensions, but our version of Pinnacle wouldn't load them unless they were very small.
     
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    I found something that works for importing into pinnacle.

    Use DGMPGDec. (http://neuron2.net/dgmpgdec/dgmpgdec.html)
    Once you unzip the folder, find the quick start guide and download the programs recommended (AVIsynth and VirtualDub) The quick start guide has links to these programs. Install the AVIsynth. Open DGIndex and Follow the quickstart instructions to save the project. Before you save your project in DGIndex and after opening your VOB(s) (You can select all the VOB on a disc), go to "Video" to "Field Operation" and check "None" The default setting will mess up Pinnacle.
    It will take an hour or two to compile. After it completes follow the quickstart guide to setup a script for AVIsynth. You should be able to view your .avs file in Win Media.
    Find you audio(AC3) file. Use AC3Tool (http://www.digital-digest.com/dvd/downloads/ac3tool.html) to convert it into a .wav file.
    Use VirtualDub and combine your .avs file with your new .wav file (Make sure you select "wav file" under audio in Virtualdub!) to create an .avi. I would recomend selecting a compression setting or your avi will be huge. I've found Microsoft MPEG-4 Video Codec V2 works fine.

    Once your .avi is compile you can import it directly into Pinnacle. I use Pinnacle 8 and had sucess modifing two DVDs so far with no noticable quality drop.
     
  10. NeilMcRae

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    I did everything that jeeper_74 said and my video and audio are still out of sync. Maybe it's not a problem with ImTOO DVD Ripper, maybe it's just a problem somewhere in either my hardware or my software. The movie I am trying to rip has a duration of 1:45:08 and either if I rip to AVI using ImTOO DVD Ripper while having "Store to WAV" selected under "AVI Specific" in "Output Settings" or if I do it jeeper_74's way and use AC3Tool, either way the WAV file comes out with a duration of 1:45:14. Or if instead of ripping to AVI using ImTOO DVD Ripper I choose to rip to MPEG2 using ImTOO DVD Ripper, the MPEG2 video file with both the video and the audio in the same file comes out to a duration of 1:45:13. And once my files end up with these longer durations, that's where the video and audio start to go out of sync. Do you know what could be wrong or if there's a way I can get my movies into Pinnacle while keeping the same durations that they originally had to start with?
     
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    Neil,
    Did you use the DGMPGDec program that I suggested? I found that the other rippers cause an audio/video delay when ripping. Either from a video compression scheme or audio compression. The DGMPGDec just splits the audio off of the VOB file and will allow you to convert that to a PCM wav file. AVIsynth will allow you to view and combine the DGMPGDec video file (.d2v) with your new wav file in VirtualDub. But the DGMPGDec video file is only a pointer to the DVD's VOB files. So all video comes directly from the DVD to your AVI file. The only change is in your audio so Pinnacle can read it. Give it a shot. I've got it to work with only the compiling time to complain about. Good Luck!
     
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    Yes, I followed all the steps you gave in your above message and I still end up with the same results as if I were to just use ImTOO DVD Ripper once I use VirtualDub to combine my AVS file with my WAV file.

    You mean use ImTOO DVD Ripper to rip the movie to AVI while having "Store to WAV" selected under "AVI Specific" in "Output Settings" so that once ripped I can first bring my ripped AVI with no sound into Pinnacle and then take the WAV file that ImTOO DVD Ripper created of the movie's audio (while ripping to AVI) and try to line it up on the "Sound effect track" so that video and audio are in sync? I'll admit that doing it that way is a pain because once you get the beginning of the movie in sync the video and audio will still be out of sync later in the movie and you just have to try and get the audio track lined up in just that right spot, but I guess that's the best we can do right now if we want to make changes to our DVDs such as add chapter points, delete chapter points, add extra frames of blackness to the end of the movie, add titles, add deleted scenes, etc. If the only change you wanted to make was add extra frames of blackness to the end of your movie, you can decrypt the original DVD to your hard drive using DVD Decrypter and then open your copy on the hard drive in DVD Shrink and add some extra frames of blackness to the end before you burn your movie in DVD Shrink, except the only disadvantage to doing it this way is that DVD Shrink doesn't have a feature where you can combine titles so if you take the menus off your DVD you'll still end up with more than one title. But I guess I won't complain because that is currently the easiest way I can think of to add extra frames of blackness to the end of my movies, atleast I tried asking for help and now I know that there is currently nothing out if I want a perfect DVD. Still, you can delete chapters using DVD Shrink and an extra title will be added each time you delete a chapter, but you can't perfectly delete chapter points/marks using DVD Shrink because you lose a frame of your movie doing it that way. If I ever wanted to put one of my DVDs on VCD, I guess that will be another story because before you can put a DVD on VCD you have to rip it and then try to cope with the frustrating proccess of lining up the video and the audio.
     

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