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Discussion in 'DVDR' started by rEf, Mar 9, 2007.

  1. rEf

    rEf Member

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    Hello all

    Have a Compaq Presario V6000 notebook, with 16X DL Burner. Had trouble with Maxell -R discs in that the burning process didn't even start.

    Have now bought Verbatim +R discs which are burning fine, movie can be watched without difficulty on the notebook.

    Problem is my player. Its cheap i know, but if anyone can help me identify if i can do something to make the movies work on it, I would be greatful. Player is Emerson (also marketed as Funai) Model number is CEDV90DP. Have googled without success.

    Any idea's?

    cheers
    rEf
     
  2. 300bowler

    300bowler Regular member

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    What is the make and model of ur burner?

    If it is capable to booktype that would make ur disks more compatible.
     
  3. rEf

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    300bowler: Model number as per device manager is HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4084N, not sure of the make

    Booktype? Never heard of it, will google for more info now.

    Any other ideas?
     
  4. saugmon

    saugmon Senior member

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    I cannot locate that HL-DT-ST-Dvdram GSA-4084n.

    It's gotta be an LG drive with the code string of HL-DT-ST and the GSA.All I can find is the GSA-4084B and no newer fw update for it.

    1)Is this drive internal or external?

    Here's a free program that will tell you:
    Correct model# of the drive/to the right of that-it'll show you the current firmware version. It can also tell us the MID code for your blank media.

    http://www.afterdawn.com/software/video_software/dvd-r_tools/dvd_identifier.cfm

    2)Insert Maxell disc into that burner drive/open up dvdidentifier/select your drive-which will show the model# and firmware version/click identify/click clipboard/paste it into your next post. Also include exact model # and current firmware version.

    Maxell: Sounds like a firmware issue,if that burner isn't recognizing your blank maxell dash media.The discs should still be good if no actual burn took place.
    Let us know the MID code of those Maxells. Could be Ty/MXL-which would be hitachi/Ritek/or Cmags. If they are the 16x speed,the firmware may have to be updated. There's some great maxell media,decent maxell media,and some crap maxell media. That MID code will help narrow it down.

    Verbatim: This is quality media.Using verbatim,you will rule out a lot of likely culprits to your compatability issue.These are the plus format,a little harder for stand alone players when they are not booktyped.

    Your burner recognizes it and plays it ok using that compaq notebook. That's what you want. After that,comes stand alone compatability. Certain players may prefer a certain format from a particular dvd burner. The el-cheapo players usually play everything. There's something about that backup that your player doesn't like,which is usually format or media quality when you get: No disc/Dirty Disc/Wrong region/Wrong format/or illegal disc display messages.

    Your drive should be an LG drive. LG drives have bitsetting capability,also known as booktyping. This changes the plus format,so stand alone players and other drives think they are actual dvd-rom format,which the original discs are. It fools those picky players into playing your backups. Only the plus format,and only certain drives can booktype.

    3)What programs are you using in the dvd backup process?

    Some drives have their own utilities to set the booktype-Plextor,Lite-on,BenQ. Some drives,nero/dvd decrypter/and ImGburn can set the booktype.Some drives need special crossflashed/hacked firmware to achieve booktyping-Pioneer/NEC.

    Let us know the answers to those questions.
     
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  5. rEf

    rEf Member

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    Saugmon, many thanks for your help

    Please find below the DVD Identifier logs for both the blank media i have been using.

    Dont know if the Maxells are good or not, but my burner did not like them at all. Burn process would not even initiate regardless of program used. This was not the case with the verbatims which started fine. Up to about $70 spent on media alone now, would love to get things working on my stand-alone.

    Software used is DVD Shrink 3.2.0.15. Have also tried Nero (Ultra edition, version number for Burning ROM is 7.7.5.1)

    Hope that helps
    Thanks again
    rEf



    VERBATIM DVD+R DISCS

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD+R:MCC-004-000]
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Disc & Book Type : [DVD+R] - [DVD-ROM]
    Manufacturer Name : [Mitsubishi Chemical Corp.]
    Manufacturer ID : [MCC]
    Media Type ID : [004]
    Product Revision : [Not Specified]
    Blank Disc Capacity : [Not Supported By Method 2]
    Recording Speeds : [Not Available With Partial 'Media Code'-Block Enabled]
    [Method 2 Might Not Always Detect All Speeds]
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
    ** INFO : Drive = HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4084N - [FW KQ09] - [ATAPI]
    ** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD+R DVD+R-DL DVD+RW
    ** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD-R DVD-RW DVD-RAM
    ** INFO : Disc = [DVD+R:MCC-004-000]
    ** INFO : Reference Speed : 1x DVD = 1385 kBps
    ** INFO : An Writeable Disc Is Recommended For Accurate Results
    ** INFO : Write Speeds (Supported By This Drive On This Disc) Listed Below

    ** INFO : GET PERFORMANCE Write Speed Descriptor(s)
    Descriptor #1 = 11080 kBps ( 8.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
    Descriptor #2 = 5540 kBps ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]

    ** INFO : MODE SENSE Write Speed Descriptor(s) [Legacy Command]
    ** WARNING : MODE SENSE Is Obsolete And Not Always Properly Supported
    Descriptor #1 = 11080 kBps ( 8.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
    Descriptor #2 = 5540 kBps ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
    ** WARNING : Format 11h (Method 1) Is Recommended ADIP Retrieval Method
    ** WARNING : Format 00h (Method 2) Data Might Contain Drive Modified Values
    ** INFO : Hex Dump Of 'Media Code'-Block Listed Below
    ** INFO : 4-Byte Header Preceding 'Media Code'-Block Discarded
    ** INFO : Format 00h (Method 2) - Physical Information (Copy Of ADIP)
    ** WARNING : 'Media Code'-Block Is Only Partially Retrieved
    0000 : 01 0f 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 26 05 3f 00 00 00 00 .........&.?....
    0010 : 00 00 07 4d 43 43 00 00 00 00 00 30 30 34 00 38 ...MCC.....004.8
    0020 : 23 54 37 12 02 54 6c 02 92 5f 15 15 0b 0b 08 08 #T7..Tl.._......
    0030 : 01 19 1b 0c 0c 0c 0d 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
    0040 : 01 00 38 38 02 2c 5a 1a 05 2e 23 10 04 1e 1d 01 ..88.,Z...#.....
    0050 : 00 00 02 2c 5a 1a 05 2e 23 10 04 1e 1d 01 00 00 ...,Z...#.......
    0060 : 02 00 54 70 02 30 63 3c ..Tp.0c<
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
    [ DVD Identifier V5.0.1 - http://DVD.Identifier.CDfreaks.com ]
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------









    MAXEL DVD-R discs

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD-R:CMC MAG. AE1]
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Disc & Book Type : [DVD-R] - [DVD-R]
    Manufacturer Name : [CMC Magnetics Corp.]
    Manufacturer ID : [CMC MAG. AE1]
    Blank Disc Capacity : [2,298,496 Sectors = 4.71 GB (4.38 GiB)]
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
    ** INFO : Drive = HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4084N - [FW KQ09] - [ATAPI]
    ** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD+R DVD+R-DL DVD+RW
    ** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD-R DVD-RW DVD-RAM
    ** INFO : Disc = [DVD-R:CMC MAG. AE1]
    ** INFO : Reference Speed : 1x DVD = 1385 kBps
    ** INFO : An Writeable Disc Is Recommended For Accurate Results
    ** INFO : Write Speeds (Supported By This Drive On This Disc) Listed Below

    ** INFO : GET PERFORMANCE Write Speed Descriptor(s)
    Descriptor #1 = 11080 kBps ( 8.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
    Descriptor #2 = 5540 kBps ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]

    ** INFO : MODE SENSE Write Speed Descriptor(s) [Legacy Command]
    ** WARNING : MODE SENSE Is Obsolete And Not Always Properly Supported
    Descriptor #1 = 11080 kBps ( 8.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
    Descriptor #2 = 5540 kBps ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
    ** INFO : Hex Dump Of 'Media Code'-Block Listed Below
    ** INFO : 4-Byte Header Preceding 'Media Code'-Block Discarded
    ** INFO : Format 0Eh - Pre-Recorded Information In Lead-In
    ** WARNING : 'Media Code'-Block Is Only Partially Retrieved
    0000 : 01 40 c1 fd 9e d8 52 00 02 55 0d 0e 88 9a 80 00 .@....R..U......
    0010 : 03 43 4d 43 20 4d 41 00 04 47 2e 20 41 45 31 00 .CMC MA..G. AE1.
    0020 : 05 88 80 00 00 00 02 00 06 09 0d 11 87 78 90 00 .............x..
    0030 : 07 88 80 00 00 00 00 00 08 05 15 0d 0f 0a 09 00 ................
    0040 : 09 97 07 0f 0b 7c 88 00 0a 80 00 00 00 00 10 00 .....|..........
    0050 : 0b 05 1b 13 a8 89 65 00 0c b6 89 88 80 00 00 00 ......e.........
    0060 : 0d 00 00 d0 00 00 00 00 ........

    ** INFO : Hex Dump Of 'Control Data Zone'-Block Listed Below
    ** INFO : 4-Byte Header Preceding 'CDZ'-Block Discarded
    ** INFO : Format 10h - Physical Format Information Of Control Data Zone
    0000 : 25 0f 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 26 12 7f 00 00 00 00 %........&......
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
    [ DVD Identifier V5.0.1 - http://DVD.Identifier.CDfreaks.com ]
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------


     
  6. rEf

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    Oh yeah, have burnt at 4X on both Nero and DVDShrink and still nothing.

    Cheers
    rEf
     
  7. 300bowler

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    Yeah those Maxell are CMC which are not good at all.

    Have u tried higher than that, those verbs u have are meant to be burnt at higher speeds, u should try 8x,

    u can also post a nero burn log too.
    u can find it here
    C:\Program Files\Nero\Nero 7\Core look for the nerohistory.txt file
    Copy and paste the Last log only and dont forget to edit ur serial number out.
     
  8. rEf

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    all fixed.

    I think it was the transcoding in Nero, which i did again, and seems to have fixed it.

    Thanks all for the help
    cheers
    rEf
     

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