Is there a difference between the 2? I cannot get the files to my HD. I have tried shrinker, smart ripper, anydvd, along w/decrypter, 1click...no luck! I got the regions window until I had anydvd running in the background, but taking that out didn't help either. Smartripper and shrinker both freeze part of the way thru. I can only gather bits and pieces from other threads, and it doesn't seem to work. I tried leaving and removing PUOs...No Go! Thanx!