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Sam's club Verbatim for cheap + a question

Discussion in 'DVD±R media' started by gipper51, Jan 7, 2007.

  1. gipper51

    gipper51 Member

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    Hi all,
    New member but I've been reading on here for a while for media recommendations. Got some info and also a question. First the info:

    I just found some Verbatim 8x DVD+Rs at Sams club for $12.88 a 50 pack. Got 'em home and they code out as MMC003. Seems to be a highly recommended media on this site and here's a cheap place to buy it. Don't know if all stores have these but the one by me had plenty (St. Louis).

    Now the question: I've been doing DVD backups and VHS-to-DVD for a few years now and up till now been buying disk at local chains when on sale. Even though most people despise them, I've been using alot of Memorex 4x and 8x because in the beginning they were a brand that always played flawlessly on my DVD player. I also used alot of Fuji 4x and 8x, so far all disks have been great (knock on wood). After becoming more educated, I decided to test the coding on my backups. All of my Fujis test as either TYs or the good Ricoh disks. Some of my Memorex tested as 'good' media and many are the 'crap' CMC disks. However, even my oldest (3+ years) crap Memorex disks still play fine, although I haven't tested every sinle disk. I'm thinking of reburning my VHS conversions to the newer Verbatim disks just for archivals sake. I long since pitched the VHS so if the DVD deteriorates it's lost forever. Are these 'bad' memorex disks a concern for this reason? I'll have to fish through about 60-100 of them if I reburn them on better media which will be a chore.

    Thanks.
     
  2. Dunker

    Dunker Regular member

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    Ritek discs generally aren't all that bad, especially the older (4x and earlier) discs. The problem is that Memorex uses whatever supplier was cheapest at the time. My experience is that the Ricohjpns are garbage, despite what some will say about the "Made-in-Japan" rule. CMCs, of course, are landfill material. So are Advance Media (AMR). You will have to check each disc and determine if it's one of these and copy it immediately, perhaps using the original until it fails and storing the backup in a cool, dry, dark place and in CD/DVD cases. It certainly isn't a bad idea to make duplicate backups of anything you treasure, regardless of what kind of disc you use.
     
  3. Mort81

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    The memorex discs that code out as cmc magnetics, I would try to rip them to your hdd and reburn to those verbatim dvd's. Some of the older cmags weren't too bad but still have a risk of dye deteriorating over time, more so than quality media (verbatim or taiyo yuden). Even though they play fine, you might have problems or errors when you try to rip them. The ritek's will most likely be ok.

    Even though I no longer use ricohjpn, I never had any problems with them and prefered them over ritek (they're both made by ritek only ricohjpn supplies the specs and materials to ritek for their dvd's. You could say riteks tools and ricohjpns blueprints).
     
  4. MichaelP1

    MichaelP1 Guest

    dye deteriorating or dye rot happens within a few months with the CMC Mag disc so its def. wise to transfer them to better blank media while you still can Taiyo Yuden or Verbatim is the best out there
     
  5. gipper51

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    Thanks guys, it looks like I'll start transferring some stuff to better disks soon.
     
  6. JoeRyan

    JoeRyan Active member

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    Let's see, you discs "always played flawlessly," even ones that are 3 years old. But they are "crap" because some people told you so. The CMC versions "fail in 3 months," even your 3-year old versions that still play flawlessly. Something is wrong with this picture.

    If your scans on your media show that error rates are well below the limit of 280 PIE (at 20% or lower than the spec or <56) there is no immediate danger of the disc going bad unless it suffers mechanical damage from exposure to high heat/humidity, from scratches, or from tilt caused by paper labels. There is no need to transfer all the data from one CMC product to Verbatim (another CMC product by the way.) However, as Dunker said, the safer thing is to have multiple copies of each invaluable program. The safest thing is to have multiple copies on different media (disc, tape, hard disk) in different places. As for the VHS tape, if it was well made, there was no reason to throw the masters away. The oldest existing tape turned 70 last November; and it still plays. (Analogue audio on reels of cellulose acetate coated with iron carbonyl.) The VHS tape would likely have outlasted VHS players, however; and that is a problem with any medium.
     
  7. saugmon

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    Try ripping it onto your harddrive. If there's too many errors,or errors in the wrong spot,then you'll get a crc error.

    If you can get them back onto your harddrive,then you're ok.

    A quick method would be Ripping with Dvd decrypter,using Mode ISO read. It'll take about 5 mins to rip to hd.

    Then you can either: Dvd decrypter/ Mode/ ISO/write,locate mds files and burn or use ImgBurn,locate mds files and burn.

    Dvd decrypter is a more powerful ripper and can get through some of those errors. There's also a couple of settings you can change if trouble arrises.
     

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