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Slow ripping and burning speeds, upgrades and fixes required

Discussion in 'DVDR' started by huckknows, Feb 20, 2005.

  1. huckknows

    huckknows Member

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    I am slightly new to backing up my dvd collection. I am using a laptop, it has 1.6 processor, 1 gig of ram and it has a Sony DVD +/-RW with a 12x rip speed and an 8x write speed.

    When i first started to burn dvds, that process of ripping them with dvd shrink and then burning them with nero 6 would take about 45 minues, however now it has slowed to taking 1 hour and 45 minutes, i am not really sure on what is causing this and any help would be apreciated.

    Also any information about a nice external burner would be great.
     
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    ScubaPete Senior member

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    Hi huckknows,


    1. Let's check your Drive's transfer mode. It should be DMA-4, not PIO.
    Windows XP downgrades the Ultra DMA transfer mode after receiving six CRC errors and drops it down to the much slower PIO mode.

    To enable DMA mode using the Device Manager
    1. Go to "My Computer, ""System Tools," "View System Information," then System Properties, "Hardware," Then Open Device Manager
    2. Double-click IDE ATA//ATAPI Controllers to display the list of controllers and channels.
    3. Right-click the icon for the channel to which your burner is connected and select Properties. Now click the Advanced Settings tab.
    4. In the Current Transfer Mode drop-down box, select DMA if available if the current setting says, "PIO Only."
    If the drop-down box already says, "DMA if Available" but the current transfer mode is PIO, then the user must "toggle" the settings. That is, change the selection from "DMA if available" to PIO only, and click "OK".
    Then repeat the steps above to change the selection to "DMA if available".

    OPTION: Right-click the burner and select "Uninstall" and then "OK" all prompts until the PC reboots. Upon rebooting, the PC should "find" your burner and reinstall it setting it by "Default" to DMA.

    Lastly, when did you last defrag your Hard Drive (HD) ? If you have to stop and think about the last time you did it, then it's way, way overdue. Here we go, (Start, All Programs, Accessories, System Tools, Disk Defragmenter. When it opens, choose your HD, analyses it to see where we stand then if you need it (you probably will) choose Defragment.).

    After you finish doing it now you might want to think about having "Scheduled Tasks" in your Control Panel do it for you on a daily basis.

    A fragmented HD not only drastically slows down your system but it can cause all number of things to happen inside your PC, a messed up burn being one of them.

    Once we've done that, our DVD burner should operate at peak efficiency :D)

    Cheers,

    Pete

    Give it a test run and let us know how you make out -

     
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    it seemed to go faster, although it was already set to DMA, and i had defrag'd and did a system cleanup the other day to see it that made it faster, it still took about 1 hour 15 minutes, it burned at 8x, but ripped at 2.4x, any way to make this faster??
     
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    There are some things we should check as they have a direct influence over how our drive behaves -

    Physically, Your burner s/b set as "master" on your IDE cable and the IDE cable s/b an 80-pin cable not a 40-pin. Always double-check your burner's jumpers to make sure they are correctly set for master, not slave if you installed the burner yourself.

    1. Let's check for up-to-date Firmware for your burner.

    "OK, so what is this "Firmware" garbage?" Fair question. Firmware is a "tutor" who's job it is to eliminate any "bugs" found in your drive and to "introduce" your burner to all the different kinds of media to your burner is likely to run into and to tell your burner a little bit about it. What type of media it is and at what speed to burn it. As new media is introduced OR, as the Mfgrs of your burner find new ways to use it, new firmware updates OR "Flash upgrades" come out to "school" your burner, keeping it up-to-date. It's good to keep your burner up-to-date as it "tweaks" your burner and keeps it operating at peak performance.

    Of major Importance – When dealing firmware, you must match your burner's exact model with the proper Firmware. Trying to "Flash" your burner with something "Close" won't do it. It must be the exact firmware for your drive. ("Flashing" is what the installation is referred to when you put the firmware into your drive.) Trying to "Flash" your drive with some other drive's firmware can ruin your drive.

    At the bottom of the page look for "What's my firmware? - Try this little tool I found," Download this tool and check out your Firmware's health (up-to-date wise). You can probably get a current upgrade there also –

    http://flashman.rpc-1.com/

    Firmware page -

    http://forum.rpc1.org/dl_all.php

    Always check your burner's Mfgr's "Support" section to see if some newer Firmware is there -

    Firmware, You can't burn without it -



    Now we need to see if we have a working ASPI Layer.

    "Yea right, and ASPI stands for Another Stupid Piece of Insanity, right ?" No, not quite, it stands for "Advanced SCSI Programming Interface". "Well that tells me nothing, what's it do ?" That's a much easier question to answer. It is kind of a "translator" allowing your software to talk your hardware in a manner that your hardware will understand. Let's imagine an Earthman trying to talk to a rock. Now, think of a sledgehammer as being the interface. With the interface in play, the Earthman can tell the rock to disperse into gravel no matter what planet the rock is from, OK ? Good, let's see if we have a sledgehammer –

    2. Check for your ASPI Layer. If one isn't present, we'll need to get one and reinstall it, then reboot our PC to allow it to "settle in".

    ASPI Checker -
    http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/su...oduct/EZ-SCSI_5.0&filekey=aspichk.exe&sess=no

    Force 1.8 ASPI Layer -

    http://forceaspi18.w.interia.pl/

    Cheers,

    Pete

    Now let's see if everything will work together the way we want it to, OK ?


    Kerping the programs you're using and the discs you're burning a state secret don't help much -

    Someday when I'm doing better at mind-reading we could try again -
     
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    Well i tried to get a new update witht he firmware, however there are no updates, the burner model seems to be a sony dw-d56a, now after the firmware, i checked the aspi and the checker said only for windows nt and 95 not for xp, so i didnt do that, and the other link just returned a 404.

    now after checking the dma i ripped and burned a dvd in about 80 minutes, since then it has been increasing ever so slowly on the encoding with dvd shrink, just recently it was going at about 1000 kb/s, this is pretty damn slow, and im just getting mad...

    i have been looking for an external dvd drive for awhile now but have not settled on anything, a friend of mine has a plextor px 716uf and he loves it, but he said it was 200 dolalrs, i have heard great things about plextor, have read about them on this site and have decided that it may be a good way to go, sort of looking for either an external drive or internal, the px 716a internal seems to have some nice read and write speeds, i like the taiyo yuden silver 8x's a lot and i plan to use those most likely +r, any feedback would be great
     
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    News item: XP doesn't have an ASPI interface - you need one !

    As for a drive - Plextor is nice, so is Pioneer - I just ordered a Pioneer model#109, yesterday. Right now, All the read/write speeds are about the same BUT it doesn't make any difference - speed doesn't equal quality. With luck you might be able to burn at 8X - much higher and you'll get coasters. I still get them at 8X so I went back to 4X. I like a better burn - go too fast, you miss something -

    I find it pretty funny, it seems that all of your youngsters are taught to believe that faster is better - in time you will find out the truth of things. Speed doesn't equal quality. Never has, probably never will. That's why craftsmen will always have more work than they can handle.

    As they say in driving school, "speed Kills" a lot of speed kills faster (Lol)

    Saying that - If you want DVD Shrink to go faster (I don't have a clue what your pc's specs are) when you're in the backup window, go to "quality settings" tab and uncheck the selections. Poor quality goes faster and it will be the same as XCopy, 1ClickDVDCopy or any of the other average or below programs around. Do I think you'll burn as fast as I do, I doubt it unless you have a $5,000.00 laptop. You are limited by what you work with - I know most pple don't want to hear it - they want speed - as Clint Eastwood said, "A man has to know his limitations." LOL

    Cheers Buddy

    "P"
     
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    News item: XP doesn't have an ASPI interface - you need one !

    As for a drive - Plextor is nice, so is Pioneer - I just ordered a Pioneer model#109, yesterday. Right now, All the read/write speeds are about the same BUT it doesn't make any difference - speed doesn't equal quality. With luck you might be able to burn at 8X - much higher and you'll get coasters. I still get them at 8X so I went back to 4X. I like a better burn - go too fast, you miss something -

    I find it pretty funny, it seems that all of your youngsters are taught to believe that faster is better - in time you will find out the truth of things. Speed doesn't equal quality. Never has, probably never will. That's why craftsmen will always have more work than they can handle.

    As they say in driving school, "speed Kills" a lot of speed kills faster (Lol)

    Saying that - If you want DVD Shrink to go faster (I don't have a clue what your pc's specs are) when you're in the backup window, go to "quality settings" tab and uncheck the selections. Poor quality goes faster and it will be the same as XCopy, 1ClickDVDCopy or any of the other average or below programs around. Do I think you'll burn as fast as I do, I doubt it unless you have a $5,000.00 laptop. You are limited by what you work with - I know most pple don't want to hear it - they want speed - as Clint Eastwood said, "A man has to know his limitations." LOL

    Cheers Buddy

    "P"
     
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    reah

    ok well got the aspi installed, and i unistalled my drive and reinstalled it it is in dma ultra mode, i made sure of that, back to the same dvd and its still maxing out at only 1500kb/s im just about to say fusk it and wait till i get back to my desktop to burn dvds
     
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    ok well got the aspi installed, and i unistalled my drive and reinstalled it it is in dma ultra mode, i made sure of that, back to the same dvd and its still maxing out at only 1500kb/s im just about to say fusk it and wait till i get back to my desktop to burn dvds
     
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    huckknows,
    As for speeding things up too much more I'd like to know what this DVD is that's causing us all this trouble though backing up in a bit over an hour isn't all that bad considering your processor.

    My system is a Pent 4, 2.84Ghz with the same amout of RAM and to do a backup using DVD Shrink takes me about 45 min. and a bit (always depending on the DVD).

    Besides the DVD's name, let me know the size also. Also, let me know what your backup settings are - that also makes a diffefence.

    "P"
     

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