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Taiyo Yuden TYG02 or Ritek G04?

Discussion in 'DVD±R media' started by Corndog, Sep 28, 2004.

  1. Corndog

    Corndog Member

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    Hi,

    I just received an order from Meritline. I ordered 500 Ridata Ritek G04 4X DVD-R discs. I actually received 500 Taiyo Yuden TYG02 4X discs.

    My question is: Are these disc compatible with my NEC 2510A, and are they at least the quality of disc as the Ritek G04?

    I have previously used the Ritek discs and was very pleased with them. I just don't want to keep these discs if they are going to give me problems.

    Thanks,

    Corndog
     
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    Nephilim Moderator Staff Member

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    ricster,

    You gave me a bad link.
     
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    Think the .pdf got chopped. Make sure it's on the end there.
     
  6. Corndog

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    Nephilim,

    They are the Taiyo Yuden TYG02 discs. I used DVD Identifier to find out what kind of discs they are.

    These discs are listed in the NEC list of recommended discs, but when I burn a disc it goes through the process all the way to the 100% and then I receive an error about not being able to set the disc at once option. The burned disc will play on my stand alone player.

    I flashed the firmware from 2.15 to 2.16 thinking this would correct the issue, but I am still getting the same error.

    Below is the log that Nero produces at the end of the burn. Any help would be geatly appreciated.

    Start of Log:

    [serial removed by mod]
    Windows XP 5.1
    IA32
    WinAspi: -
    ahead WinASPI: File 'C:\Program Files\Ahead\Nero\Wnaspi32.dll': Ver=2.0.1.59, size=160016 bytes, created 12/16/2003 8:18:06 PM
    Nero API version: 6.3.1.17
    Using interface version: 6.3.1.4
    Installed in: C:\Program Files\Ahead\Nero\
    Application: ahead\Nero - Burning Rom
    Recorder: <_NEC DVD_RW ND-2510A> Version: 2.16 - HA 3 TA 0 - 6.3.1.17
    Adapter driver: <atapi> HA 3
    Drive buffer : 2048kB
    Bus Type : default (0) -> ATAPI, detected: ATAPI

    === Scsi-Device-Map ===
    DiskPeripheral : Maxtor 6Y080P0 atapi Port 0 ID 0 DMA: On
    CdRomPeripheral : AOPEN DVD1648/AAP atapi Port 0 ID 1 DMA: On
    CdRomPeripheral : _NEC DVD_RW ND-2510A atapi Port 3 ID 0 DMA: On

    === CDRom-Device-Map ===
    AOPEN DVD1648/AAP D: CDRom0
    _NEC DVD_RW ND-2510A E: CDRom1
    =======================

    AutoRun : 1
    Excluded drive IDs:
    WriteBufferSize: 74448896 (0) Byte
    ShowDrvBufStat : 0
    BUFE : 0
    Physical memory : 511MB (523756kB)
    Free physical memory: 222MB (227628kB)
    Memory in use : 56 %
    Uncached PFiles: 0x0
    Use Static Write Speed Table: 0
    Use Inquiry : 1
    Global Bus Type: default (0)
    Check supported media : Disabled (0)

    30.9.2004
    NeroAPI
    12:35:49 AM #1 Phase 112 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 273
    DVD-Video files reallocation started

    12:35:49 AM #2 Phase 114 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 273
    DVD-Video files reallocation completed (no file modified)

    12:35:49 AM #3 Phase 111 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 273
    DVD-Video files sorted

    12:35:49 AM #4 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 5116
    Booktype counter: 500

    12:35:49 AM #5 Text 0 File Reader.cpp, Line 118
    Reader running

    12:35:49 AM #6 Text 0 File AudioCompilationImpl.cpp, Line 817
    DRM: StartDrmRecording(RealRec:1, ImageRec:0, Copies:1)
    DRM: Beginning burn process.

    12:35:49 AM #7 Text 0 File Writer.cpp, Line 124
    Writer _NEC DVD_RW ND-2510A running

    12:35:49 AM #8 ISO9660GEN -11 File geniso.cpp, Line 3899
    First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)

    12:35:49 AM #9 ISO9660GEN -11 File geniso.cpp, Line 3899
    First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)

    12:35:49 AM #10 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3172
    Turn on Disc-At-Once, using DVD media

    12:35:49 AM #11 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 245
    Last possible write address on media: 2298495 (510:46.45, 4489MB)
    Last address to be written: 2286095 (508:01.20, 4465MB)

    12:35:49 AM #12 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 257
    Write in overburning mode: NO

    12:35:49 AM #13 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 2137
    Recorder: _NEC DVD_RW ND-2510A, Media type: DVD-R
    Disc Manufacturer: TYG02 -
    Disc Application Code: 64, Disc Physical Code: 193

    12:35:49 AM #14 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 418
    >>> Protocol of DlgWaitCD activities: <<<
    =========================================

    12:35:49 AM #15 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 813
    Setup items (after recorder preparation)
    0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 (CTransferItem)
    2 indices, index0 (150) not provided
    original disc pos #0 + 2286096 (2286096) = #2286096/508:1.21
    relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/required, no patch infos
    -> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 2286096 blocks [_NEC DVD_RW ND-2510A ]
    --------------------------------------------------------------

    12:35:49 AM #16 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 984
    Prepare recorder [_NEC DVD_RW ND-2510A ] for write in CUE-sheet-DAO
    DAO infos:
    ==========
    MCN: ""
    TOCType: 0x00; Session Closed, disc fixated
    Tracks 1 to 1:
    1: TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x00, FilePos 0 0 4681924608, ISRC ""
    DAO layout:
    ===========
    __Start_|____Track_|_Idx_|_RecDep_|_CtrlAdr_
    0 | lead-in | 0 | 0x00 | 0x41
    0 | 1 | 0 | 0x00 | 0x41
    0 | 1 | 1 | 0x00 | 0x41
    2286096 | lead-out | 1 | 0x00 | 0x41

    12:35:49 AM #17 Phase 24 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 273
    Caching of files started

    12:35:49 AM #18 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 4182
    Cache writing successful.

    12:35:49 AM #19 Phase 25 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 273
    Caching of files completed

    12:35:49 AM #20 Phase 36 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 273
    Burn process started at 8x (11,080 KB/s)

    12:35:49 AM #21 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2344
    Verifying disc position of item 0 (relocatable, disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0

    12:35:49 AM #22 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 1879
    Recording mode: Sequential Recording Mode

    12:35:49 AM #23 Text 0 File Mmc.cpp, Line 20401
    Set BUFE: supported -> ON

    12:35:49 AM #24 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 2020
    Start write address at LBA 0
    DVD high compatibility mode: Yes

    12:35:49 AM #25 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 8128
    ---- DVD Structure: Physical Format Information (00h) ----
    Layer: 0, Address: 0 (0 h), AGID: 0; Length: 2050
    Book Type: DVD-R (2), Part Version: 5
    Disc Size: 120 mm, Maximum Rate: <not specified> (F h)
    Number of Layers: 1, Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP), Layer Type: recordable
    Linear Density: 0,267 um/bit, Track Density: 0,74 um/track
    Starting Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 30000 h (DVD-ROM, DVD-R/-RW, DVD+R/+RW)
    End Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 26127F h
    End Sector Number in Layer 0: 0 h
    Data in Burst Cutting Area (BCA) does not exist
    Start sector number of the current Border-Out: 2FE10 h
    Start sector number of the next Border-In: 2FFA0 h
    Media Specific [16..63]:
    00 20 01 02 00 04 00 06 - 00 08 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
    00 02 FE 10 00 02 FF A0 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................

    12:35:49 AM #26 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 5116
    Booktype counter: 500

    12:35:49 AM #27 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 5116
    Booktype counter: 500

    12:35:49 AM #28 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 4479
    Drive: _NEC DVD_RW ND-2510A
    Booktype request: DVD-ROM
    Booktype setting not supported for the loaded disc type

    12:35:52 AM #29 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1294
    00:35:52.421 - _NEC DVD_RW ND-2510A\H3 T0 : Queue again later

    12:45:49 AM #30 Text 0 File WriterStatus.cpp, Line 115
    <_NEC DVD_RW ND-2510A > start writing Lead-Out at LBA 2286096 (22E210h), lenght 0 blocks

    12:45:49 AM #31 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 229
    all writers idle, stopping conversion

    12:45:49 AM #32 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 2256
    EndDAO: Last written address was 2286095

    12:46:28 AM #33 SCSI -1093 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1188
    SCSI Exec, HA 3, TA 0, LUN 0
    Status: 0x04 (0x01, SCSI_ERR)
    HA-Status 0x00 (0x00, OK)
    TA-Status 0x02 (0x01, SCSI_TASTATUS_CHKCOND)
    Sense Key: 0x03 (KEY_MEDIUM_ERROR)
    Sense Code: 0x02
    Sense Qual: 0x00
    CDB Data: 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00
    Sense Data: 0x70 0x00 0x03 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x0A
    0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x02 0x00

    12:46:28 AM #34 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 5116
    Booktype counter: 500

    12:46:28 AM #35 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 4479
    Drive: _NEC DVD_RW ND-2510A
    Booktype request: DVD+R Double Layer
    Booktype setting not supported for the loaded disc type

    12:46:28 AM #36 CDR -1093 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 1708
    No seek complete

    12:46:28 AM #37 TRANSFER -24 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 1708
    Could not perform end of Disc-at-once

    12:46:28 AM #38 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 2256
    EndDAO: Last written address was -1

    12:46:28 AM #39 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 5116
    Booktype counter: 500

    12:46:28 AM #40 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 4479
    Drive: _NEC DVD_RW ND-2510A
    Booktype request: DVD+R Double Layer
    Booktype setting not supported for the loaded disc type

    12:46:28 AM #41 Phase 38 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 273
    Burn process failed at -2,147,472,498 KB/s

    12:46:28 AM #42 Text 0 File AudioCompilationImpl.cpp, Line 828
    DRM: DRM burn session terminated.

    12:46:28 AM #43 Text 0 File AudioCompilationImpl.cpp, Line 857
    DRM: Closing entire DRM handling. Bye.

    12:46:31 AM #44 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 5116
    Booktype counter: 500


    Existing drivers:
    File 'WNASPINT.DLL': Ver=V1.20, size=57344 bytes, created 2/4/2003 8:24:08 AM

    Registry Keys:
    HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\WinLogon\AllocateCDROMs : 0 (Security Option)

    End of log.

     
    Last edited: Sep 30, 2004
  7. Nephilim

    Nephilim Moderator Staff Member

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    It's odd that something as good as TY if failing like that especially since it's on the list of recommenmded media (though TY is on almost every one!).

    Let's see if we can get our resident Nero guru, ccampbell, to give us some insight :)
     
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    I'm sure I've seen this before. Does Nero think that your recorder supports Disc-at-Once ? Go into Choose Recorder and look at its properties.
     
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    ricster,

    You are correct, Nero does show "Disc-at-once" supported. How does one disable this? I couldn't find anywhere to disable it.

    Thanks to all of you for your input. I REALLY do appreciate your help. It would be great if I didn't have to return the discs.
     
  10. ccampbell

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    Hi Corndog,

    When reading any error log, you need to be aware that the very FIRST error message you get is the True problem. Any error message that follows is just a result of the first error message, like a 'Domino Effect'.

    In your case, as you can see from the excerpt below of your log file, You recieved a 'Key_Medium_Error' message, which translates to a 'No Seek Complete'. This means the Recorder was unable to determine a begining and End write. Before any write operation occurs, the recorder does a seek at the begining and middle of the media to determine if it can write to the disc, and also what power level to use for writing to the disc, as each disc is different, even if its from the same MFG and same batch of media.

    I would recommend that you make sure you have the latest firmware for your recorder, as this is the normal resolution, and make sure you have our latest Nero software. If you still have issues, then it could be caused by:

    1) Poor meida
    2) Dust on the media
    3) Dust on the optical head
    4) Poor power to the recorder
    5) The Recorder over heating (Provide good airflow above and especially below the recorder where the circuit board is located).

    Just to name a few possible causes.



    12:45:49 AM #32 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 2256
    EndDAO: Last written address was 2286095

    12:46:28 AM #33 SCSI -1093 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1188
    SCSI Exec, HA 3, TA 0, LUN 0
    Status: 0x04 (0x01, SCSI_ERR)
    HA-Status 0x00 (0x00, OK)
    TA-Status 0x02 (0x01, SCSI_TASTATUS_CHKCOND)
    Sense Key: 0x03 (KEY_MEDIUM_ERROR)
    Sense Code: 0x02
    Sense Qual: 0x00
    CDB Data: 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00
    Sense Data: 0x70 0x00 0x03 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x0A
    0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x02 0x00

    12:46:28 AM #34 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 5116
    Booktype counter: 500

    12:46:28 AM #35 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 4479
    Drive: _NEC DVD_RW ND-2510A
    Booktype request: DVD+R Double Layer
    Booktype setting not supported for the loaded disc type

    12:46:28 AM #36 CDR -1093 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 1708
    No seek complete


    Regards,

    Craig

    Ahead Software
    USA
     
  11. Corndog

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    Craig,

    Thankyou for your input. I have already flashed the firmware as previously stated. I have the latest update to Nero installed. I can burn Ritek G04 disc perfectly, so I assume it is the TY disc, which are problematic. So is the Disc-at-once setting a non-issue?
     
  12. ccampbell

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    Yes, DAO is a non issue. Any DVD write operation is DAO, as the DVD standard does not support TAO.

    Regards,

    Craig

    Ahead Software
    USA
     

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