So I was talking with a friend last night about the whole forced MS Live/game disc update deal. He hasn't connected Live for over a month in fear of being banned. He's got a Hitachi 78. I told him one way or the other they'll get him... either through Live or through a disc update. Later I got to thinking that if it's on a disc why not just remove it before playing the game. So today I got some pics to show what I'm talking about. I've opened a 360 iso and you can see a sys update folder: And inside the folder: So my question is has anyone tried either deleting the folder or tried replacing the file with a dummy file? If not I'll try both. What program can I use to make dummy files? Also, I'll need a new game which asks to update. I've applied the spring update. Does anyone know if Forza 2 or Shadowrun asks to update, even after you've already updated with the spring patch? If not, I know in June and July there are alot of games being released. So one of them has to have an included update.