Excellent I have just downloaded and run DVD Decrypter and DVD Shrink. This combo is great. Getting very high quality single disk backups. Just wanted to let you know the tutorial at top of this forum got me started with ease, now I am ready to start playing around a little. LOL Just a few commants, DVD Shrink is incredibly slow compared to the 321 products I have been using. Xpress does the same job (albeit with less quality) in about a third of the time. Only real problem with express is that my copy has stopped working all of a sudden, though my DVD X copy gold still works very well. Most movies aren't worth 2 disks to back up though. Just a few questions: 1) Being that Shrink is apparently no longer supported, will the updates to Decripter be able to handle the new encryption formats? 2)Does the use of Deep Analysis and error compensation have an effect on decode speed, or just on analyze speed? 3) Can all special features be removed from the original and still allow for the disk to be functional. (What has to remain)? 4) The media I have been using is not on your list, I use Memorex 1x-8x discs and have never had a problem with making coasters, what seperates the media you have listed from the standard stuff in the department stores? Well that's it for now, I am very glad to have found this site and will probably be coming here often. Looks like about a month worth of reading just to get up to speed. Again thanx for the tips I have picked up so far.