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Verbatims Are now a Must on new burner FW

Discussion in 'Xbox 360 - Modding & Hacking' started by Modking30, Oct 22, 2011.

  1. Modking30

    Modking30 Regular member

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    Well trying burning a Xdg3 game now. All it will do is error unless you use verbatims which work. I'm not very happy about this since my CAD discs have always worked, but oh well. They are still free :)
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    There's a thread on the Team Xecuter forums on how to use KProbe (which is free and works only with Lite-On drives) to do disc quality scans.

    In general with DVD media, the maximum PI should not be over 280 and the maximum PIF should not be over 4, but the admin of Team Xecuter's forums says that for good XGD3 burns, PI needs to be lower than 100 and PIF needs to be 4 or under.

    Here's the results for one of those Gigablock discs that you mentioned using, Modking30, and this wasn't even burned with Burner Max (which would only make this result worse!): -

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    Compare that to a Verbatim: -

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  5. bludd

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    So has there been any substitutes that have come close to verbs? I noticed the windata blues had decent results.

    WINDATA BLUE TOP
    MEDIA CODE : UMEDISC-DL1-64
    GAME : BATMAN
    BURNED @ 4X
    TESTED AND WORKS


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    funksoulb Regular member

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    I tried my first burn with Burner Max earlier. I used a Verbatim MKM-003-00 disc and burned it at 4X with OPC turned on. The max PI was 20-something and the max PIF was 5, which is 1 over the recommended spec but it was only 2 spikes that hit 5. The ISO burned and verified just fine in ImgBurn and the game installed and runs fine on the 360.

    Those Windata results look good, but the main issue is whether they consistently use the same type of dye from pack to pack, and also the longevity. If you don't want to use Verbs for some reason and those Windata ones are cheap, I would give them a go though.

    The worst results I'm seeing are from Riteks, with PI errors over 1,000 and PIF hitting nearly 200. You might as well buy them and throw them straight in the trash to cut out the middle man, lol.
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  7. bludd

    bludd Regular member

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    So what does it mean if you have Verbatim MKM-001 discs that has a PI max of 324 avg. 55.17 and PIF of 3 and avg of .14. Are the discs going bad or are there ideal conditions to burn these discs like not multitasking? The burn did verify to 100% but I haven't tried the disc yet.
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    funksoulb Regular member

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    The PIF result is absolutely fine. The max PI is higher than you want it to be, but as the average was 55 I'm assuming you just had a couple of spikes going up above 300, rather than it consistently being above 300 like in that Gigablock scan I posted above. Single line PI spikes are not usually anything to worry about unless there's tons of them!

    Even if your burn falls outside the standard of 280/4 it doesn't necessarily mean that the disc is a coaster, because single spikes can push the max figures up, plus a lot of DVD drives have really good error correction that enables them to read discs with error levels that are considerably higher than the standard, but the higher the error levels are above the recommended standard, the more likely you are to have discs that skip/stutter (in the case of video), throw up read errors or just freeze up. In the case of 360 games, high error levels may also cause your burned game to fail certain challenges, as the burned disc may not return the same results as an original pressed disc, which is another reason why Verbatim media is recommended for XGD3 burns.
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    You can use crappy media, but verbatims are the only ones that will work on xdg3 format that I hava tested.
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    have anyone tried memorex yet?
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    bludd Regular member

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    These are memroex discs.

    iHAS124 (crossflashed to 524)
    iXtreme Burner Max
    Gears Of War 3
    Disc ID: RITEK-S04-66 @ 4x

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    KProbe is a very nice tool.
    Lightning UK should consider integrating that functionality into ImgBurn.
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    Just wondering, has anyone been getting some bad results with their verbatims? Do I just have a bad batch as it looks pretty poor from the 50% mark. I also just recently cross flashed my lite on ihas 124b to a ihas 524b as I was getting some poor results with it as a 124b.



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    That I don't know. I would assume so, but I don't know for sure.

    Some people are getting better burns from crap media by enabling HyperTuning and Online HyperTuning. If you want to try that, it's under Tools - Drive - Change Advanced Settings... in ImgBurn.

    @bludd - Try lowering the read speed in KProbe to 4X instead of using "MAX". That can affect your results. It's pretty common for the second layer to have considerably higher error levels than the first though, but you're still within spec there anyway. Pressed factory discs are considered good if the PI doesn't exceed 280, so don't get too caught up in the second half of that graph looking worse than the first as the max PI is still only 231.
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    Has anyone been successful with Xdg3 backup yet on the new FW with different media other than verbs?
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    @Funksoulb Well impressed with your verb result .Been trying to replicate.Did you just use the standard settings as per the burner max guide included with the firmware?

    And you mentioned to set the kprobe speed to 4x .I was wondering what speed the xbox would read the disc format at ? Would one assume the xbox would pick up more errors if it reads at a faster speed than the 4x test speed ? Or have i just made as ass out of myself for making that assumption?
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    I burned at 4X with OPC enabled, so yeah, as the guide says.

    Your assumption isn't bad per se. The number of errors actually on the disc should be unchanged of course as the errors are a result of the burning process rather than the reading process, but the faster a disc is read, the more the errors may affect the drive's ability to read it. Theoretically you should get the same result in KProbe if you use "max" or if you use 4X, but sometimes you'll get a more accurate result at a lower speed. The 360 drive reads at up to 12X (constant 12X when a game is installing I believe), but if the error levels are within the recommended spec, it shouldn't have a problem.
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    Thank you for the info.It is much appreciated.
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    I have had success with some ritek I have laying around here that show as ricohjpn. I used Media Code Speed Edit, and edited the firmware c4eva made to make the media only write at 2.4x, flashed the edited firmware onto 524b then turned off opc in imgburn. These disk are only booted in my banned console so I have no reason to worry about testing. The only xgd3 disk I have at the moment is gow3 so it is the only one I tested.

    Edit = Forgot to say if you want to read about the app it is here http://ala42.cdfreaks.com/MCSE/
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    Hmmm.I've always used Verbs for my backups but with my new burner 524 i am getting inconsistant results.I'm striking about 75% success verification rate at the mo and have been monitoring other posts/forums and it seems there is not a drive/group of settings or media that is 100% reliable low error burns.It does seem to be hit and miss.
    I have tried the same settings as other people that have the same drive and use the same media and get very different results.I'm awaiting a different drive to try but in the mean time will try cheaper media on my ihas 524.Will report back my results.
    All are my own rips.
    My verbs are MKM 001 from different batches.
    My kprobe results when they verify are just within the the recommanded specs with a couple of peaks just outside similar to bludds 524 graph.
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  21. funksoulb

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    I've noticed that more people with 124/324/524 drives seem to be having issues than 224/424/624 owners, but that's only based on posts on forums so it isn't conclusive. Perhaps the difference in hardware and firmware is what's causing it? I've got a 624 (converted from a 224) and I've burned a bunch of games on MKM-003 Verbs at 4X with OPC on and they've all burned and verified 100%. I've only scanned 2 discs with KProbe, but the error levels have been very low and are well within spec.

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