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Discussion in 'DVDR' started by cabmanuk, Mar 11, 2005.

  1. cabmanuk

    cabmanuk Member

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    Hi i am new to backing up dvd's, i have bought dvd-r x4 should i still burn at x2 or at x4.I can remember reading it is still better to burn at the slower time, please advise thanks.
     
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    4x SHOULD be fine... although 2x wont hurt either...

    if the dvd-rs arent top quality (good ritecks, TY, MCC etc) then 2x might be better...
     
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    Hello, I burn @ 4x and I have never had any problems. Any faster then that is when I have gotten disk errors.

    Hope that helps!!! Good Luck.
     
  4. creaky

    creaky Moderator Staff Member

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    i use 4x even on Verbatim datalifeplus 8x media and a fast decent machine. BUT everyone to their own, but when a 4GB of data takes me 15mins to write to a disk, i dont care if there are 16x burners/media. Only if the whole dvd writing game was 1000% reliable would i use higher speeds

    Rich
     
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    i agree with creaky, just like the old CD-R days, audio corrupted at higher than 2x as well as ps2 (when the lasers were going out....)
     
  6. bbmayo

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    If you are using quality grade media then the faster speeds work fine. It's when you are using the lower (elcheapo) media you will run into problems burning at higher speeds. It really has nothing to do with your system or burner it all falls onto the DVD media you are using... I have burned @ 2, 4, and x8 speeds and ran all the disks threw exstinsive testing (mainly with Nero CD/DVD speed) and the results were identical with each disk (Taiyo Yudens) Then foe sheets and giggles I got my hands on some of those unfavorable disks (Memorsux's) I ran the same test and my GOD! what a difference from 2 to 8 was crazy infact the x8 ones were so bad that they wouldnt even play.. So you buy good quality media that will also last and burn as fast as your burner and media will allow or you can play it safe and keep the burning down to x4. I would suggest to everyone try it out for themselves some will be fine at higher speeds and some are going to have problems, but what have ya got to lose anyway .30c for the disk I suppose.. :)
     
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    El cheapo/generic media-2x or lower: if they even work at all.

    Good quality media: 4x

    High quality media-4x to start with and work your way up to 8x and above if you have no playback issues.

    I stick with the 4x eventhough most of my +8x media will allow me to burn 12x and 16x.

    Your stand alone players will tell you how fast to burn them. Too fast and they will pixellate,freeze,jump, and many other numerous problems, Particularly the poor-cheapo- crappo-generico- media.That cheapo crap backups will have a lot harder time to play in standalones. Stick with the good media,less problems.

    Keep em burning!
     
  8. cabmanuk

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    Hi thanks for the response,i am using ridata printable media dvd-r x4, i think they are also called ritecks bit i am not to sure,thanks everyone :}
     
  9. creaky

    creaky Moderator Staff Member

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    i must get around to trying my Verbatim's at 8x..maybe another day..!
     
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    The Memorex media sucks but they have 16x Dual Layer Burner that is #1 right now according to my PC Mag. I looked at all of the reviews and to my surprise they were pretty good so I ended up buying it and I haven't been dissapointed.... Then of course I don't use their crappy media that fails about half of the time, I use Professional grade media like Taiyo-Yuden, Maxell, and Ridata.
     
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  11. bbmayo

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    I love when people disagree with me :)

    If thats the case it doesnt matter what speed they are burning at it isn't going to work very good... So you see I don't really agree with you either, but hey thats allowed right?? :) Point is if there system isn't set up properly in all the ways you have mentioned then I would tend to believe they are going to have problems regardless. I have been building and working on computers for 14 years now and it has always been my rule of thumb in this buiseness no matter what it is to stay one step behind technology.. I will explain.. Now that DVD speeds are up to 16x then I would bet that it is safe to burn at 8x (with the right media) It probably isn't to smart to burn at 16x because all the bugs haven't been worked out yet. The same was true with CD writers years ago.. Wow I just thought about that I remember when I had my first CD burner x1 Yamaha dang I'm gettin friggen old LOL... Anyway unless you are having major issues with you system there is no reason you shouldnt be able to burn at the speed the drive was designed for. Now if you do have issues like most the joe public's out there then you are going to have problems no matter what speed you are burning at.. If you cant get a decent copy burning faster then try changing to some good media and think you would be surprised.. :)

    peace :)
     
  12. creaky

    creaky Moderator Staff Member

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    higher speeds would be worth trying if they got v good media. Its just that people who dont know or care too much about how a pc works, might get 'burnt' by crappy media etc. No pun intended :)
     
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    @ creaky,

    OK this is gettin a little out of hand now... I didnt suggest that everyone burn at the highest speed possible.. In fact the only person I was addressing my statement to was the original poster cabmanuk I dont believe that qualifies as everyone? cabmanuk has a x4 burner of course there will be no problems with that speed (that is now the norm) I can remember not to long ago when x4 first came out everyone was staying at x1 or x2 to be safe... So when will everyone start moving up to x8?? When you say it is good to now? I'm not trying to be a smart arse, but you really don't understand my point, and I'm afraid I don't get yours.. Heres mine again plain and simple... The speed of the burn has absolutly nothing to do with the finished product as long as the media support's that speed. Now if you are getting errors during the burning process then by all means slow it down, but if you can burn a disk at x8 without a hitch you will see that the finished disk will look no different than one burned at x4 or x2.. All I suggested was to try it out and see the media isnt that darn expensive if you waste one trying...
    and that has what to do with burning speed?? Do you see my point? If you gave me something that would actually have to do with the effect of burning slower produces better copies then I might agree, but everything you have wrote is for sure going to cause problems even if they were burning at x1 speed... Thats why I say it all depends on the media..

    I'm sorry if you are getting upset by any of this It's nothing personal honest I am just trying to understand your point??? I guess we can always agree not to agree on this one LOL :)

    Peace
     
  14. cougar_ii

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    Hi there,

    I have decided to try InterVideo DvdCopy3.

    Seems like an awsome software, but again, like DvdXCopy Platinum, I see no place to select burn speed :(

    Click on burn and it starts burning.
    I guess it burned it a MAX Speed.

    It's burning now, so I will keep you posted.

    I want to burn at 4x with this BenQ DW1620 else I expect problems with my DVD Players...
     
  15. bbmayo

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    Great choice!! That program is my #1 pick the quality you get is unbelievable... I dont think you can choose the speed on DVDC3??
     
  16. cougar_ii

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    Hi,

    Doesn't seem like you can :(

    I think it wrote to this DVD-R at high speed, and no player in the house will play more than 2 minutes without major freezing. You should see the burn, it's ugly as hell. All full of lines, I guess when the burner stopped to refill the buffer...

    Now if I can just find the hell how to stop nero v6.6.0.8 from trying to change the bitsetting on my DVD-R this drive (BenQ DW1620) might make me happy...

    Here's the error I got !

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    Windows XP 5.1
    IA32
    WinAspi: -
    ahead WinASPI: File 'C:\Program Files\Ahead\Nero\Wnaspi32.dll': Ver=2.0.1.74, size=164112 bytes, created 10/26/2004 4:21:30 PM
    Nero Version: 6.6.0.6
    Recorder: <BENQ DVD DD DW1620> Version: B7U9 - HA 1 TA 1 - 6.6.0.6
    Adapter driver: <atapi> HA 1
    Drive buffer : 2048kB
    Bus Type : default (0) -> ATAPI, detected: ATAPI
    CD-ROM: <Generic DVD-ROM >Version: 1.0 - HA 2 TA 0 - 6.6.0.6
    Adapter driver: <d347prt> HA 2

    === Scsi-Device-Map ===
    DiskPeripheral : ST3160023AS iaStor Port 0 ID 0 DMA: On
    CdRomPeripheral : SAMSUNG CD-R/RW SW-252S atapi Port 1 ID 0 DMA: On
    CdRomPeripheral : BENQ DVD DD DW1620 atapi Port 1 ID 1 DMA: On
    CdRomPeripheral : Generic DVD-ROM 1.0 d347prt Port 2 ID 0 DMA: Off

    === CDRom-Device-Map ===
    SAMSUNG CD-R/RW SW-252S H: CDRom0
    BENQ DVD DD DW1620 I: CDRom4
    Generic DVD-ROM Z: CDRom2
    =======================

    AutoRun : 1
    Excluded drive IDs:
    WriteBufferSize: 74448896 (0) Byte
    ShowDrvBufStat : 0
    BUFE : 0
    Physical memory : 510MB (522332kB)
    Free physical memory: 95MB (97972kB)
    Memory in use : 81 %
    Uncached PFiles: 0x0
    Use Inquiry : 1
    Global Bus Type: default (0)
    Check supported media : Disabled (0)

    6.3.2005
    ISO compilation
    10:26:00 AM #1 Text 0 File Isodoc.cpp, Line 6168
    Iso document burn settings
    ------------------------------------------
    Determine maximum speed : FALSE
    Simulate : FALSE
    Write : TRUE
    Finalize CD : TRUE
    Multisession : FALSE
    Burning mode : DAO
    Mode : 1
    ISO Level : 1 (Max. of 11 = 8 + 3 char)
    Character set : ISO 9660
    Joliet : TRUE
    Allow pathdepth more than 8 directories : TRUE
    Allow more than 255 characters in path : TRUE
    Write ISO9660 ;1 file extensions : TRUE

    10:26:00 AM #2 Text 0 File Reader.cpp, Line 127
    Reader running

    10:26:00 AM #3 Text 0 File Writer.cpp, Line 122
    Writer BENQ DVD DD DW1620 running

    10:26:00 AM #4 ISO9660GEN -11 File geniso.cpp, Line 3286
    First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)

    10:26:00 AM #5 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3155
    Turn on Disc-at-once, using DVD media

    10:26:00 AM #6 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 257
    Last possible write address on media: 2298495 (510:46.45, 4489MB)
    Last address to be written: 2150671 (477:55.46, 4200MB)

    10:26:00 AM #7 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 269
    Write in overburning mode: NO (enabled: CD)

    10:26:00 AM #8 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 2311
    Recorder: BENQ DVD DD DW1620, Media type: DVD-R
    Disc Manufacturer: LEADDA - TA01
    Disc Application Code: 64, Disc Physical Code: 193

    10:26:00 AM #9 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 431
    >>> Protocol of DlgWaitCD activities: <<<
    =========================================

    10:26:00 AM #10 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 829
    Setup items (after recorder preparation)
    0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 ()
    2 indices, index0 (150) not provided
    original disc pos #0 + 2150672 (2150672) = #2150672/477:55.47
    relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/ required, no patch infos
    -> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 2150672 blocks [BENQ DVD DD DW1620]
    --------------------------------------------------------------

    10:26:00 AM #11 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 1042
    Prepare recorder [BENQ DVD DD DW1620] for write in CUE-sheet-DAO
    DAO infos:
    ==========
    MCN: ""
    TOCType: 0x00; Session Closed, disc fixated
    Tracks 1 to 1:
    1: TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x00, FilePos 0 0 4404576256, ISRC ""
    DAO layout:
    ===========
    __Start_|____Track_|_Idx_|_CtrlAdr_|_RecDep__________
    0 | lead-in | 0 | 0x41 | 0x00
    0 | 1 | 0 | 0x41 | 0x00
    0 | 1 | 1 | 0x41 | 0x00
    2150672 | lead-out | 1 | 0x41 | 0x00

    10:26:00 AM #12 Phase 24 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
    Caching of files started

    10:26:00 AM #13 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 4042
    Cache writing successful.

    10:26:00 AM #14 Phase 25 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
    Caching of files completed

    10:26:00 AM #15 Phase 36 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
    Burn process started at 4x (5,540 KB/s)

    10:26:00 AM #16 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2604
    Verifying disc position of item 0 (relocatable, disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0

    10:26:00 AM #17 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 2300
    Recording mode: Sequential Recording Mode

    10:26:00 AM #18 Text 0 File Mmc.cpp, Line 21079
    Set BUFE: Seamless Link -> ON

    10:26:00 AM #19 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 2441
    Start write address at LBA 0
    DVD high compatibility mode: Yes

    10:26:00 AM #20 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 8332
    ---- DVD Structure: Physical Format Information (00h) ----
    Layer: 0, Address: 0 (0 h), AGID: 0; Length: 2050
    Book Type: DVD-R (2), Part Version: 5
    Disc Size: 120 mm, Maximum Rate: <not specified> (F h)
    Number of Layers: 1, Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP), Layer Type: recordable
    Linear Density: 0,267 um/bit, Track Density: 0,74 um/track
    Starting Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 30000 h (DVD-ROM, DVD-R/-RW, DVD+R/+RW)
    End Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 0 h
    End Sector Number in Layer 0: 0 h
    Data in Burst Cutting Area (BCA) does not exist
    Start sector number of the current Border-Out: 0 h
    Start sector number of the next Border-In: 0 h
    Media Specific [16..63]:
    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................

    10:26:00 AM #21 CDR -1207 File DVDR.cpp, Line 4805
    Book Type automatically set to: Current recorder setting

    10:26:09 AM #22 SCSI -1135 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1432
    SCSI Exec, HA 1, TA 1, LUN 0, buffer 0x03F50000
    Status: 0x04 (0x01, SCSI_ERR)
    HA-Status 0x00 (0x00, OK)
    TA-Status 0x02 (0x01, SCSI_TASTATUS_CHKCOND)
    Sense Key: 0x03 (KEY_MEDIUM_ERROR)
    Sense Code: 0x0C
    Sense Qual: 0x00
    CDB Data: 0x2A 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x20 0x00 0x00 0x00
    Sense Data: 0x70 0x00 0x03 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x12
    0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x0C 0x00

    10:26:09 AM #23 CDR -1135 File Writer.cpp, Line 311
    Write error

    10:26:09 AM #24 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 228
    all writers idle, stopping conversion

    10:26:09 AM #25 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 222
    conversion idle, stopping reader

    10:26:09 AM #26 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 2682
    EndDAO: Last written address was -1

    10:26:09 AM #27 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 5619
    Drive: BENQ DVD DD DW1620
    Book Type request [gen]: DVD-ROMDrive doesn't support changing Book Type for DVD-R

    10:26:09 AM #28 Phase 38 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
    Burn process failed at 4x (5,540 KB/s)


    Existing drivers:
    File 'Drivers\PXHELP20.SYS': Ver=2.02.62a, size=20016 bytes, created 12/20/2004 1:37:14 PM (Prassi/Veritas driver for win 2K)
    File 'Drivers\atapi.sys': Ver=5.1.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158), size=95360 bytes, created 8/3/2004 10:59:44 PM (Adapter driver for rec)
    File 'Drivers\d347prt.sys': Ver=3.47.0.0 built by: WinDDK, size=5248 bytes, created 8/22/2004 4:31:48 PM (Adapter driver for src)

    Registry Keys:
    HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\WinLogon\AllocateCDROMs : 0 (Security Option)



     
  17. bbmayo

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    Here is probably your biggest problem that stands out !!

    [bold]Disc Manufacturer: LEADDA - TA01[/bold]

    Thats one of the worst media out there it ranks right there with Memorex...

    Have you updated your firmware for that drive? That could help your situation... Replacing the media with some quality media would help the most though..
     
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    You also have a lot of memory in use
    [bold]Memory in use : 81 %[/bold]

    What else is running on your PC when your doing this? Need to shut it all off...
     
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    Hi again,

    I get the same error with these:

    10:12:23 AM #8 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 2311
    Recorder: BENQ DVD DD DW1620, Media type: DVD-R
    Disc Manufacturer: RITEKG - 04
    Disc Application Code: 64, Disc Physical Code: 193

    All I want to know if there's a way in Nero to disable this book type changing NOT to occur when I use DVD-R
     
  20. creaky

    creaky Moderator Staff Member

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    @bbmayo i'm really not having a dig. had a nightmare day so was grouchy! . I should grouch at work more and on here less !

    'fraid i sit at computer screens for 9hours a day then at home as well. i should really get out more. :)
     
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