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Whats the angle?

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  1. johnnyd54

    johnnyd54 Regular member

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    I made a backup of without a paddle and using shrink in reauthor I noticed I had two movies of the same thing. Usually thats normal and wide but this time it was wide and angle. I copied the one that said angle just to see what was different and while watching the movie a little screen kept popping up in the corner showing the people in the movie sitting around appearing to be discussing the movie. Whats up with this?
     
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    johnnyd54 Regular member

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    Come on now surely someone knows what this angle thing is all about. Pleaseeeeeeeeeeee
     
  3. larrylje

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    I was wondering the same thing cause in re_autjor showed title 1 and title 1 angle 2. But when you do a full back up there isnt 2 movie files listed there.

    I ended up doing a complete backup and was worried that the window with the guys discusing the movie would incode in the main movie but that didnt happen.

    Encoded normal. You have to turn on the movie comentary to see the guys discussing the movie that is what the angle 2 is. Comintary of the movie.

    So even tho when its encoding you see the guys pop up every once in a while it still backs up right when you watch it. You just have to enable comentary to see them.
     
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    I got it to copy fine just picking the main movie with out the angle thingie. Plays ok but I'm wodering just what the angle means, purpose and all. also I have caught bits from other threads about being able to copy angles but what is it? anybody help us?
     
  5. larrylje

    larrylje Active member

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    like I said diffrent angels is just added stuff to the main movie. Like Comemtary or somtimes the end credits are diffrent. etc etc
     
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    johnnyd54,

    When you see 2 movies it dos in fact double the size of the movie you're backing up.

    If you use re-author in DVD Shrink you can just keep the movie one and get rid of the Director's commentary one and have a backup that's exactly the same quality as the original as no compression will be needed.

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  7. larrylje

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    What thru me for a loop was the angle 2 didnt show up on the full backup. it only list 1 title movie on full back up under movies but when you re-author it shows 2 titles but diffrent angles.
     
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    ScubaPete have yopu seen that happen before? I was going to take out the angle 2 movie in full back up but it dosent list it in full back up. only has 1 title listed but 2 titles in re=author.
     
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    larrylje,

    There are sometimes 2 angles, it's common on a lot of Disney stuff.

    (You have a unique anitar, problem is that, the flashes make it difficult to read the text in your posts, like having a strobe light going off, it re-directs your eyes from the printd word -

    Cheers,

    Pete
     
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    I understand about the diffrent angles. But my question is.

    In re-author under Main movie titles it has "title 1" and "title 1(angle2)" Shows 2 movie files in re-author.

    But......

    Full backup under Main movie titles it only has "Title 1"
    The "Title 1(angle2) isnt listed in full backup.

    That is where im stumped.

    I backed it up fine just was curious why the "Title 1(angle2) isnt listed in full backup.
     
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    larrylje Active member

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    sorry about the redwings marque sign I took it off. But again would like some input on the above reply I added.
     
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    johnnyd54 Regular member

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    ok scubapete but all I was talking about was what is this angle. How to copy a disk was nice but I have about 150 rips correctly done and am fairly proficient with decrypt and shrink and what to choose to get the movie I want just thought you might give us a handle on what this angle thing means to our copies. The short version will do. Thanks
     
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    I guess your asking why they both don't show up ?

    The "Title 1" is "angle 1" - I'm not sure what angle 2 does unless it's another format.

    There will be, in the future, an analog and a digital together on one disc. My guess is that is what this is.

    They could be "Hidden" files - it's a guess OR a possibility ? So long as I can control it,
    Maybe Veblin can shead some light on it ?.

    Pete

     
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    In Re-author:

    "Title 1" is the movie. just the movie.

    "Title 1(angle2)" is the movie with a window poping up every so often with comentary.

    In Full Backup:

    It only list "Title 1"
    I was going to still image the "Title 1(angle2) in full backup to lessen compression to The Main Movie.
    But I couldnt cause "Title 1(angle2) dosent show up in full backup.

    Anyway thanks for your input.
     
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    The reason it doesn't show up is that it's not technically a separate title. Additional angles are added using a process called interleaving where multiple versions of a title share some parts and have other parts that are unique. In the case of multiple angles the different versions are actually part of the same title (as listed in a table in VIDEO_TS.IFO - where Shrink seems to get the title numbers from) so it's not listed separately in Full Disk mode. If you go into Reauthor mode the duplicate video/audio is contained in each angle so you can select the version you want. If the different versions of the title had been different lengths (like theatrical version and director's cut) it would have had to use a different type of interleaving called seamless branching, which requires 2 different titles that would have both been listed in Full Disk mode.

    As Pete said this is common in Disney movies. They often use it to have multiple versions of the credits in different languages. I even have one Disney DVD (Beauty & The Beast Special Edition) that has 3 different versions of the movie using seamless branchin and each version has 2 angles. When I open the disk in Shrink it shows me that the main movie is 3 titles and Reauthor mode shows 6 titles because of the extra angles.
     
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    Very good Vurbal. At last an answer I can get an angle on. Thanks very much for the info to both Verbal and Scubapete
     
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    Makes sense now Vurbal thanks for the input. Like I said I backed it up fine just was curious about it cause iv never seen it before. Iv heard of interleaving before. Guess I shoulda piad more attention to it. LOL

    any thanks for the info
     
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    I have the same problem with the little picture in picture with the cast, I am new to copying movies and can see where I select re-author and see " Main Movie: title 1 and title 2 (Angle 2) I right click on title 1 and select add it gives me the movie without the picture in picture, but, how do I get an exact copy of movie with previews but without title 2 ( angle 2 )
    Thank you in advance...................scotty
     
  19. vurbal

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    If you want to remove the second angle and keep functional menus you'll have to use something other than Shrink. DVDReMake will do it, but it's not free. It is easy to use though.

    http://www.afterdawn.com/software/video_software/video_tools/dvdremake.cfm

    If you get the Pro version you can also remove alternate movie versions done with seamless branching (like discs that have a director's cut and a theatrical version that are different lengths).

    http://www.afterdawn.com/software/video_software/dvd-r_tools/dvdremake_pro.cfm
     
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    Thank you for the speedy reply I will look at your suggestions tomorrow..................scotty47
     

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