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Discussion in 'DVD±R for advanced users' started by viper8437, Aug 28, 2004.

  1. viper8437

    viper8437 Regular member

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    i ve dvd decrypter, record now, and nero but i am unable to make any movie backups

    i have made 8 coasters withj only one movie being successful

    heres my lastest log from nero

    Windows XP 5.1
    IA32
    WinAspi: -
    ahead WinASPI: File 'D:\Program Files\Ahead\nero\Wnaspi32.dll': Ver=2.0.1.59, size=160016 bytes, created 12/16/2003 7:18:06 PM
    Nero version: 6.3.0.3
    Recorder: <HP DVD Writer 400c> Version: FH04 - HA 1 TA 1 - 6.3.0.3
    Adapter driver: <atapi> HA 1
    Drive buffer : 8192kB
    Bus Type : default (0) -> ATAPI, detected: ATAPI
    CD-ROM: <PIONEER DVD-ROM DVD-117R>Version: 1.07 - HA 1 TA 0 - 6.3.0.3
    Adapter driver: <atapi> HA 1

    === Scsi-Device-Map ===
    DiskPeripheral : SAMSUNG SV8004H atapi Port 0 ID 0 DMA: On
    CdRomPeripheral : PIONEER DVD-ROM DVD-117R atapi Port 1 ID 0 DMA: On
    CdRomPeripheral : HP DVD Writer 400c atapi Port 1 ID 1 DMA: Off

    === CDRom-Device-Map ===
    PIONEER DVD-ROM DVD-117R F: CDRom0
    HP DVD Writer 400c G: CDRom1
    =======================

    AutoRun : 1
    Excluded drive IDs:
    CmdQueuing : 1
    CmdNotification: 2
    WriteBufferSize: 70254592 (0) Byte
    ShowDrvBufStat : 0
    EraseSpeed : 0
    BUFE : 0
    Physical memory : 479MB (491040kB)
    Free physical memory: 115MB (118396kB)
    Memory in use : 75 %
    Uncached PFiles: 0x0
    Use Static Write Speed Table: 0
    Use Inquiry : 1
    Global Bus Type: default (0)
    Check supported media : Disabled (0)

    28.8.2004
    UDF/ISO compilation
    3:34:36 PM #1 Phase 112 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1800
    DVD-Video files reallocation started

    3:34:36 PM #2 Phase 114 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1800
    DVD-Video files reallocation completed (no file modified)

    3:34:36 PM #3 Text 0 File Isodoc.cpp, Line 6029
    Iso document burn settings
    ------------------------------------------
    Determine maximum speed : FALSE
    Simulate : FALSE
    Write : TRUE
    Finalize CD : TRUE
    Multisession : FALSE
    Burning mode : DAO
    Mode : 1
    ISO Level : 1 (Max. of 11 = 8 + 3 char)
    Character set : ISO 9660
    Joliet :FALSE
    Allow pathdepth more than 8 directories : TRUE
    Allow more than 255 characters in path : TRUE
    Write ISO9660 ;1 file extensions : TRUE

    3:34:36 PM #4 Phase 111 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1800
    DVD-Video files sorted

    3:34:36 PM #5 Text 0 File Reader.cpp, Line 118
    Reader running

    3:34:36 PM #6 Text 0 File Writer.cpp, Line 124
    Writer HP DVD Writer 400c running

    3:34:36 PM #7 ISO9660GEN -11 File geniso.cpp, Line 3882
    First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)

    3:34:36 PM #8 ISO9660GEN -11 File geniso.cpp, Line 3882
    First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)

    3:34:36 PM #9 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3101
    Turn on Disc-at-once, using DVD media

    3:34:37 PM #10 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 240
    Last possible write address on media: 2295103 (510:01.28, 4482MB)
    Last address to be written: 2286191 (508:02.41, 4465MB)

    3:34:37 PM #11 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 245
    Write in overburning mode: FALSE

    3:34:37 PM #12 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 2085
    Recorder: HP DVD Writer 400c, Media type: DVD+R

    3:34:37 PM #13 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 406
    >>> Protocol of DlgWaitCD activities: <<<
    =========================================

    3:34:37 PM #14 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 779
    Setup items (after recorder preparation)
    0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 (CTransferItem)
    2 indices, index0 (150) not provided
    original disc pos #0 + 2286192 (2286192) = #2286192/508:2.42
    relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/required, no patch infos
    -> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 2286192 blocks [HP DVD Writer 400c ]
    --------------------------------------------------------------

    3:34:37 PM #15 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 948
    Prepare recorder [HP DVD Writer 400c ] for write in CUE-sheet-DAO
    DAO infos:
    ==========
    MCN: ""
    TOCType: 0x00; Session Closed, disc fixated
    Tracks 1 to 1:
    1: TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x00, FilePos 0 0 4682121216, ISRC ""
    DAO layout:
    ===========
    __Start_|____Track_|_Idx_|_RecDep_|_CtrlAdr_
    0 | lead-in | 0 | 0x00 | 0x41
    0 | 1 | 0 | 0x00 | 0x41
    0 | 1 | 1 | 0x00 | 0x41
    2286192 | lead-out | 1 | 0x00 | 0x41

    3:34:37 PM #16 Phase 24 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1800
    Caching of files started

    3:34:37 PM #17 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 4073
    Cache writing successful.

    3:34:37 PM #18 Phase 25 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1800
    Caching of files completed

    3:34:37 PM #19 Phase 36 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1800
    Burn process started at 2.4x (3,312 KB/s)

    3:34:37 PM #20 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2264
    Verifying disc position of item 0 (relocatable, disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0

    3:34:37 PM #21 SCSI -1066 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1171
    SCSI Exec, HA 1, TA 1, LUN 0, buffer 0x02D66000
    Status: 0x04 (0x01, SCSI_ERR)
    HA-Status 0x00 (0x00, OK)
    TA-Status 0x02 (0x01, SCSI_TASTATUS_CHKCOND)
    Sense Key: 0x05 (KEY_ILLEGAL_REQUEST)
    Sense Code: 0x24
    Sense Qual: 0x00
    CDB Data: 0xAD 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x08 0x04 0x00 0x00
    Sense Data: 0x70 0x00 0x05 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x12
    0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x24 0x00

    3:34:37 PM #22 Text 0 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1658
    Set remaining time: 23:46,160 (1426160ms) -> OK

    3:34:37 PM #23 Text 0 File DVDPlusRW.cpp, Line 564
    Start write address at LBA 0
    DVD high compatibility mode: Yes

    3:35:01 PM #24 SCSI -1135 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1431
    SCSI Exec, HA 1, TA 1, LUN 0, buffer 0x028D0000
    Status: 0x04 (0x01, SCSI_ERR)
    HA-Status 0x00 (0x00, OK)
    TA-Status 0x02 (0x01, SCSI_TASTATUS_CHKCOND)
    Sense Key: 0x03 (KEY_MEDIUM_ERROR)
    Sense Code: 0x0C
    Sense Qual: 0x00
    CDB Data: 0x2A 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x30 0xE0 0x00 0x00 0x20 0x00 0x00 0x00
    Sense Data: 0x70 0x00 0x03 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x12
    0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x0C 0x00

    3:35:01 PM #25 CDR -1135 File Writer.cpp, Line 301
    Write error

    3:35:01 PM #26 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 229
    all writers idle, stopping conversion

    3:35:01 PM #27 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 223
    conversion idle, stopping reader

    3:35:02 PM #28 Phase 127 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1800
    Generating DVD high compatibility borders

    3:38:03 PM #29 Text 0 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1658
    Set remaining time: 0:00,000 (0ms) -> OK

    3:38:03 PM #30 Phase 129 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1800
    Generating DVD borders completed successfully

    3:38:03 PM #31 Text 0 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1658
    Set remaining time: 0:00,000 (0ms) -> OK

    3:38:03 PM #32 Phase 38 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1800
    Burn process failed at 2.4x (3,312 KB/s)


    Existing drivers:
    File 'Drivers\CDRALW2K.SYS': Ver=7.0.1.39 , size=24576 bytes, created 4/2/2004 10:32:20 PM
    File 'Drivers\PXHELP20.SYS': Ver=2.02.62a, size=20016 bytes, created 10/28/2003 6:02:00 AM (Prassi/Veritas driver for win 2K)
    File 'Drivers\atapi.sys': Ver=5.1.2600.10 (xpclnt_qfe.010827-1803), size=86656 bytes, created 8/29/2001 2:56:42 PM (Adapter driver for rec)

    Registry Keys:
    HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\WinLogon\AllocateCDROMs : 0 (Security Option)




    any help would be greatly appreciated

    thanks
     
  2. viper8437

    viper8437 Regular member

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    just some mroe information

    i installed the burner myself
    and for a couple of months had no problems
    then i had to reinstall windows and sicne then ive had nothing but problems
    the only time the burning was successful was when i reinstalled the software for the burner and that lasted for only one burn

     
  3. Nephilim

    Nephilim Moderator Staff Member

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    Hi,

    What brand/type media are you using?

    Your log shows your burner being out of DMA which is often caused by too many errors during the burn process. Try enabling DMA and se if that helps things along.

    http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/device/storage/IDE-DMA.mspx

    If that doesn't work then try this:

    Go to Device Manager >

    Expand the tree for DVD/CD ROM Drives >

    Find the drive in question, right click it and go to Properties >

    Under the Driver tab, select Uninstall then OK.

    Now reboot and Windows should detect and reinstall the drive.
     
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    viper8437 Regular member

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    using sony brand media
    so im pretty sure its not that

    ill try those ideas and see how it works out
     
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    To enable DMA mode using the Device Manager

    1.
    Open Device Manager.

    2.
    Double-click IDE ATA/ATAPI Controllers to display the list of controllers and channels.

    3.
    Right-click the icon for the channel to which the device is connected, select Properties, and then click the Advanced Settings tab.

    4.
    In the Current Transfer Mode drop-down box, select DMA if Available if the current setting is "PIO Only."
    If the drop-down box already shows "DMA if Available" but the current transfer mode is PIO, then the user must toggle the settings. That is:

    • Change the selection from "DMA if available" to PIO only, and click OK.

    • Then repeat the steps above to change the selection to DMA if Available.


    im following those steps but i cant tell which on is the burner

    i have
    Primary IDe Channel
    Secondary IDE Channel
    SiS PCI IDE Controller


    is there any way to tell?
    or should i just uninstall the burner?
     
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    Nephilim Moderator Staff Member

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    You can uninstall the IDE that your burner is attatched to, it won't hurt anything and sometimes works better than uninstalling just the burner.

    Use Nero Info Tool, under the Configuration tab, to find out whether your burner is on the Primary or Secondary IDE and then uninstall it accordingly :)

    http://www.afterdawn.com/software/cdr_software/cdr_tools/nero_info_tool.cfm

    Would you be so kind as to run one of the Sony media through DVD Identifier and post the manufacturer ID?

    http://dvd.identifier.cdfreaks.com/
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    - Secondary IDE Channel
    -Master: PIONEER DVD-ROM DVD-117R
    DMA on
    Autorun on


    - Slave: HP DVD Writer 400c
    DMA off
    Autorun on


    Thats how the burner is listed
    so just uninstall the Secondary IDe channel
    and restart so tha the DVD-ROm and Hp DVD Writer will reinstall?

    and turn on DMA once it reinstalls if it is off?

    manufactuer id: RICOHJPN




     
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    Nephilim Moderator Staff Member

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    Alrighty then,

    The ideal setup would be to have your burner set as Master on the IDE (since it's the data hog of the two) and the ROM as slave.

    After you uninstall the IDE and reboot, Windows should automatically set both drives to DMA when it detects and installs them.


    The media you're using is good stuff so you should be fine there.

    Try switching the burners around, uninstall the IDE, reboot then check the DMA settings. If they're good try another burn with a rewritable if you have one (pick up a couple if you don't, saves coasters).
     
  9. chthomson

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    Hi viper8437

    The problem cropped up after your reinstalled windows - was this a fresh install.

    Have you updated the SIS chipset drivers. For the last week I have been fighting a similar problem on my P3 machine. Tonight after updating to SP2 and installing a older Via UMDA drivers it finally works as it should

    I hope this helps
     
  10. viper8437

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    not really sure what urs talking about chthompson
    maybe u could explain it a little better

    so i switched the drives, unintsalled and re-installed the drivers, and turned on DMA and it was successful with the +RW
    then i tried a +R thinking the problem was fixed but it wasnt

    ive wasted about 8-10 dvd discs

    thanks for your help
    but any other ideas? thanks

    here the log from the latest error


    Windows XP 5.1
    IA32
    WinAspi: -
    ahead WinASPI: File 'D:\Program Files\Ahead\nero\Wnaspi32.dll': Ver=2.0.1.59, size=160016 bytes, created 12/16/2003 7:18:06 PM
    Nero version: 6.3.0.3
    Recorder: <HP DVD Writer 400c> Version: FH04 - HA 1 TA 0 - 6.3.0.3
    Adapter driver: <atapi> HA 1
    Drive buffer : 8192kB
    Bus Type : default (0) -> ATAPI, detected: ATAPI
    CD-ROM: <PIONEER DVD-ROM DVD-117R>Version: 1.07 - HA 1 TA 1 - 6.3.0.3
    Adapter driver: <atapi> HA 1

    === Scsi-Device-Map ===
    DiskPeripheral : SAMSUNG SV8004H atapi Port 0 ID 0 DMA: On
    CdRomPeripheral : HP DVD Writer 400c atapi Port 1 ID 0 DMA: On
    CdRomPeripheral : PIONEER DVD-ROM DVD-117R atapi Port 1 ID 1 DMA: On

    === CDRom-Device-Map ===
    HP DVD Writer 400c F: CDRom0
    PIONEER DVD-ROM DVD-117R G: CDRom1
    =======================

    AutoRun : 1
    Excluded drive IDs:
    CmdQueuing : 1
    CmdNotification: 2
    WriteBufferSize: 70254592 (0) Byte
    ShowDrvBufStat : 0
    EraseSpeed : 0
    BUFE : 0
    Physical memory : 479MB (491040kB)
    Free physical memory: 115MB (118088kB)
    Memory in use : 75 %
    Uncached PFiles: 0x0
    Use Static Write Speed Table: 0
    Use Inquiry : 1
    Global Bus Type: default (0)
    Check supported media : Disabled (0)

    29.8.2004
    UDF/ISO compilation
    1:32:48 AM #1 Phase 112 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1800
    DVD-Video files reallocation started

    1:32:48 AM #2 Phase 114 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1800
    DVD-Video files reallocation completed (no file modified)

    1:32:48 AM #3 Text 0 File Isodoc.cpp, Line 6029
    Iso document burn settings
    ------------------------------------------
    Determine maximum speed : FALSE
    Simulate : FALSE
    Write : TRUE
    Finalize CD : TRUE
    Multisession : FALSE
    Burning mode : DAO
    Mode : 1
    ISO Level : 1 (Max. of 11 = 8 + 3 char)
    Character set : ISO 9660
    Joliet :FALSE
    Allow pathdepth more than 8 directories : TRUE
    Allow more than 255 characters in path : TRUE
    Write ISO9660 ;1 file extensions : TRUE

    1:32:48 AM #4 Phase 111 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1800
    DVD-Video files sorted

    1:32:48 AM #5 Text 0 File Reader.cpp, Line 118
    Reader running

    1:32:48 AM #6 Text 0 File Writer.cpp, Line 124
    Writer HP DVD Writer 400c running

    1:32:48 AM #7 ISO9660GEN -11 File geniso.cpp, Line 3882
    First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)

    1:32:48 AM #8 ISO9660GEN -11 File geniso.cpp, Line 3882
    First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)

    1:32:48 AM #9 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3101
    Turn on Disc-at-once, using DVD media

    1:32:49 AM #10 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 240
    Last possible write address on media: 2295103 (510:01.28, 4482MB)
    Last address to be written: 2286191 (508:02.41, 4465MB)

    1:32:49 AM #11 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 245
    Write in overburning mode: FALSE

    1:32:49 AM #12 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 2085
    Recorder: HP DVD Writer 400c, Media type: DVD+R

    1:32:49 AM #13 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 406
    >>> Protocol of DlgWaitCD activities: <<<
    =========================================

    1:32:49 AM #14 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 779
    Setup items (after recorder preparation)
    0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 (CTransferItem)
    2 indices, index0 (150) not provided
    original disc pos #0 + 2286192 (2286192) = #2286192/508:2.42
    relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/required, no patch infos
    -> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 2286192 blocks [HP DVD Writer 400c ]
    --------------------------------------------------------------

    1:32:49 AM #15 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 948
    Prepare recorder [HP DVD Writer 400c ] for write in CUE-sheet-DAO
    DAO infos:
    ==========
    MCN: ""
    TOCType: 0x00; Session Closed, disc fixated
    Tracks 1 to 1:
    1: TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x00, FilePos 0 0 4682121216, ISRC ""
    DAO layout:
    ===========
    __Start_|____Track_|_Idx_|_RecDep_|_CtrlAdr_
    0 | lead-in | 0 | 0x00 | 0x41
    0 | 1 | 0 | 0x00 | 0x41
    0 | 1 | 1 | 0x00 | 0x41
    2286192 | lead-out | 1 | 0x00 | 0x41

    1:32:49 AM #16 Phase 24 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1800
    Caching of files started

    1:32:49 AM #17 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 4073
    Cache writing successful.

    1:32:49 AM #18 Phase 25 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1800
    Caching of files completed

    1:32:49 AM #19 Phase 36 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1800
    Burn process started at 2.4x (3,312 KB/s)

    1:32:49 AM #20 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2264
    Verifying disc position of item 0 (relocatable, disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0

    1:32:49 AM #21 SCSI -1066 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1171
    SCSI Exec, HA 1, TA 0, LUN 0, buffer 0x02D66000
    Status: 0x04 (0x01, SCSI_ERR)
    HA-Status 0x00 (0x00, OK)
    TA-Status 0x02 (0x01, SCSI_TASTATUS_CHKCOND)
    Sense Key: 0x05 (KEY_ILLEGAL_REQUEST)
    Sense Code: 0x24
    Sense Qual: 0x00
    CDB Data: 0xAD 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x08 0x04 0x00 0x00
    Sense Data: 0x70 0x00 0x05 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x12
    0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x24 0x00

    1:32:49 AM #22 Text 0 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1658
    Set remaining time: 23:46,160 (1426160ms) -> OK

    1:32:49 AM #23 Text 0 File DVDPlusRW.cpp, Line 564
    Start write address at LBA 0
    DVD high compatibility mode: Yes

    1:55:46 AM #24 SCSI -1135 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1431
    SCSI Exec, HA 1, TA 0, LUN 0, buffer 0x030D0000
    Status: 0x04 (0x01, SCSI_ERR)
    HA-Status 0x00 (0x00, OK)
    TA-Status 0x02 (0x01, SCSI_TASTATUS_CHKCOND)
    Sense Key: 0x03 (KEY_MEDIUM_ERROR)
    Sense Code: 0x0C
    Sense Qual: 0x00
    CDB Data: 0x2A 0x00 0x00 0x20 0xF5 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x20 0x00 0x00 0x00
    Sense Data: 0x70 0x00 0x03 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x12
    0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x0C 0x00

    1:55:46 AM #25 CDR -1135 File Writer.cpp, Line 301
    Write error

    1:55:46 AM #26 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 229
    all writers idle, stopping conversion

    1:55:46 AM #27 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 223
    conversion idle, stopping reader

    1:56:15 AM #28 Text 0 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1658
    Set remaining time: 0:00,000 (0ms) -> OK

    1:56:15 AM #29 Text 0 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1658
    Set remaining time: 0:00,000 (0ms) -> OK

    1:56:15 AM #30 Phase 38 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1800
    Burn process failed at 2.4x (3,312 KB/s)


    Existing drivers:
    File 'Drivers\CDRALW2K.SYS': Ver=7.0.1.39 , size=24576 bytes, created 4/2/2004 10:32:20 PM
    File 'Drivers\PXHELP20.SYS': Ver=2.02.62a, size=20016 bytes, created 10/28/2003 6:02:00 AM (Prassi/Veritas driver for win 2K)
    File 'Drivers\atapi.sys': Ver=5.1.2600.10 (xpclnt_qfe.010827-1803), size=86656 bytes, created 8/29/2001 2:56:42 PM (Adapter driver for rec)

    Registry Keys:
    HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\WinLogon\AllocateCDROMs : 0 (Security Option)

     
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    Hi viper8437

    For full details of my PIII DVD burner saga see my post at http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/102624

    When I upgraded my PIII machine to SP2 it gave me an error on copying the atapi.sys file. (I now believe to be corrupt). My other XP machines that I updated to SP2 did not have that error show up.

    If the IDE controller has a conflict then you cannot burn DVD's. It can burn cd and play both cd and DVD.

    Most modern motherboards to support the larger hard drives have an enhanced UDMA controller to support those drives (bus mastering drivers) Maybe your SIS chipset needs those drivers

    I hope this helps
     
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    stil dont really understnad that
    but i uninstalled the drive this time instead of the controller and now ive had 5 successful burns in a row


    thanks for all your help
     

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