ok guys i did a lot of research, and id prefer this idea not to get shot down, id like some people to help and test out what they can. Well, sony at one point released some demos of games that you could download and burn on to a disc and play on the ps2 with no problem. That may have led to a major flaw by that company, see my idea is, and i dont know much about backing up games or if this is possible, but the idea is to take the booting program from a demo game (which would work if burned) and replace the boot program in whatever game you wanted to backup, this should allow the game to be bootable because the demo boot prog should work, however the file is a little hard to obtain, but if you could obtain it somehow, im willing to bet that the program would be usable. if anyone can get this program and test my theory, or tell me where to get it and i can test it myself. thanks for reading this and im hoping for a positive reaction and replies.