Attn: Newbies... this is why you should NOT buy CMC MAG or any other unknown media...

Oh yeah you have to have half naked women on your desktop. Love that ass baby!

 

I hope that expressing an opinion in a polite manner as I have done, can't in anyway be construed as flambait.

I hope we can all continue to discuss subjects in a grown up fashion, if someone has a differing opinion from myself I don't think its a flame. Far from it.....we all have opinions.

If you looked at my post's I already mentioned I use Taiyo Yuden and Verbatim? as well as Ritek etc

I also own two PS2 and have backed up many games for them (one with a messiah chip and one with swap magic & Flip top) and am well aware how picky v4 (my older ps2) can be at reading discs.

That sort of brings me full circle...If you want to prove the worth of any given media, it must last and scan well, over a period of time.

....... Initial scans prove the media has burned well but not that it lasts (only batch scans do that)

.. posting an initial scan of a Taiyo Yuden (for eg) and a corresponding one done several months later for the same disc, would be a better guide to how that media stands up (for yor given setup)

Chill

 

I'm perfectly chilled. I'm glad you don't want a flame war, neither do I. There have been several fruitless arguements over media recently in other threads, and I wanted to nip this in the bud before it reached that pitch. I agree with what you said for the most part. I scan my backups with Nero CD/DVD Speed quick scan. I know it could potentially miss a huge PIF spike here and there, but I'm not patient enough to wait on the full scan. I just like an idea of what to expect. From my experience PI/PO scanning is just a barometer, nothing more. There are backups which grade out at 95 or better which won't play/skip horribly and vice versa. I find it's just a guide, not some absolute guaruntee of a flawless backup. That's my two cents. Glad we're mature enough to not resort to petty name calling and insults to settle our differences. Maybe I spend too much time in the PS2 section, there's a lot of that going on in there lol. Cheers!

 

seems like my scans are all running about the same quality wize ,using TY media and clonedvd 2 to encode and burn .i might try using the plus format to see if i can get the scorce higher but there playing back perfectly. and the dash format is less expensive than plus format buying online anyway.

 

Thats Kool,

the reason I batch scan is simply all media deteriorates over time.

Some initial scan's of 98 have dropped considerably over a 2 year period.

Some have dropped little.

A few experts in the media field are touting that All media won't last... (some say beyond 5 year)

I scan to know the deterioration rates of the 1500+ discs I've got. (Yuden/Verb/Ritek/infiniti, heh)

and yes the gaming forums can be a bit hectic why I don't post there much. I may not come out alive ^ ^

cheers

ash

 

Not a bad scan. I find I get about the same results with quality whether I'm using High Grade Maxell DVD+R's (booktyped to DVD-ROM) and TY 8x DVD-R's. I haven't use TY 8x DVD+R's, I guess that's the next frontier. I recently found my out my PS2 handles DVD+R's booktyped to DVD-ROM fine. Just out of curiousity, why don't you just post the scan itself? If I was a little more observant for instance I might notice you're running Trend Micro-PC Cillin 2006, MSN Messenger, and AnyDVD in your disc tray there. Of course that's if I was more observant lol. Cheers!

 

correct i am lol ,i dont have photoshop and thats the only way i know how to do a screen shot using Gadwin Print screen

 

asked to post some earlier in thread,

(chosen at random, won't bore ya with full batch details)





Deterioration:
% -2 9/7/2004
elevated PIE (correctable) and Slight PIF (non-correct)
Plays in all players (v4 Ps2 inc)



Deterioration:
% -2 12/8/2004
elevated minor PIF
Plays in all players



3/3/2004



25/1/2004




Taiyo Yuden DVD+R X16 (inkjet Printable SVP)Deterioration -6 98% to 92% 14/1/2006 to 24/2/2006

 

@ Ashj Those are some nice scans on what's generally considered second class media-Ritek and Optodisc. I wouldn't touch either nowadays, but that's just personal preference. I'm surprised how well some the Optodisc and Ritek scans have held up, especially the couple you burned to the edge. I guess it's not that surprising though, since you have a BenQ1640, an outstanding burner. I have a Sony DRU-810 which is an OEM BenQ1640. I paid twice as much for the Sony name lol. I bought it before I new what I was doing. Anyway nice scans. It goes to show that quality media is only as good as the person using it. Taiyo Yuden doesn't do a moron with out of date firmware and 10 things running in the background whild burning any good.

@Dutchmo. That's an excellent Scan. That's good advert for the new BenQ1655 LS drive.

 

yeah,

but none of them were burnt on the Benq 1640, ofcourse ,(except that Taiyo yuden, which dropped -6 % over 6 weeks), the Benq was only used to read them.

as most of the scans are around 1 an half - 2 year old ^^

They were Burnt on an Nec ND1300A.

i could post a barage of 99% to 97% of newly burned dvd's from Ritek G05, R03/MC004/TYG02 etc

indeed the benq 1640 and 1650 that I have dont burn anything under 96% so far on any media I use (initial scan)...

.....but as with all media, I'm more interested in the deterioration over time, and for that I need to batch scan them at bi monthly intervals.

So y'all better post updates on the initial scans again in two years time

 

@aabbccdd
I don't know about Gadwin Print Screen, but if you want to use Windows Paint, just hold down ALT and Print Screen at the same time and it will only copy what's in the window and not the whole screen. Go to Paint, click on Edit and paste. After it's in Paint you can save it as whatever type file you want. Works for me anyhow. I have Photoshop, but I've never bothered to learn how to use it. Don't ever seem to have the time.

Dave

 

Hey all, I figure this has probably been answered many times, but are Nero Speed and DVDinfopro only reliable with dedicated burners or can you get reliable scans with combo drives.
I have a Pioneer DVR 106D combo drive and it seems that I can scan the same disk several times and get different results.
I thought I read somewhere that this only occurs with "marginal" quality disks, but I'm not sure.

 

my last 2 scans have gotten to 89%, and i get a message that says no additional information sensed . the scan stops . do any of u guys know what the message means ? thanx in advance

 

forkndave, i can crop the pics with my nero photo program so that works ,of course you cant see "Adriana" that way lol

 

frankvega - I've been getting the same error when scanning DVD+R's but not -R's with my BenQ dw1655. What burner and type of discs are you using.

 

@ beltline
i'm using that same drive (benq 1655). i've scanned with a verbatim + r and a sony + r

 

I get that same problem with my 1620 ocaissionally. I hadn't noticed if it was with + or -. It seems to happen mostly with older discs that the firmware doesn't appear to recognize. Sometimes when I'm scanning an old disc such as a Prodisc S03 or something like that, it won't recognize the MID code and can't tell how long the disc is. In this case it will scan up to the end of the data and say there is no additional information sensed. When this happens I just switch it over to my Lite-On and it scans OK. I guess this is just a quirk with some BenQ drives.

Dave

 

heres a scan without Adriana in it lol ,seems like 93 is the best i can do

 

"Yes there's no real point in arguing with someone like that... However, he is flawed in his logic. He generalizes that all problems with CMC Mag are due to firmware being out of date or media incompatibility... He's rarely if ever confronted with someone with the mental capacity to call him on his BS."

Just a couple of points of interest:
1) I never said all problems with CMC MAG are due to firmware being out of date or to media incompatibility. If every single disc fails during recording, incompatibility is the likely problem; but defective quality is also possible. If once playable discs are no longer playable, then quality comes into question.
2) What I did say is that the CMC factory is a factory capable of good quality production. They make the Verbatim Taiwan discs some people rave about in this thread.
3) Empirical evidence is valid to determine whether something works or does not work. If CMC or Ritek or some other disc does not work and switching to TY does work, that is a smart move. However, empirical evidence cannot determine quality because that depends on analysis. It can only determine what works and what does not. Once one begins analysis of a problem, then one leaves the empirical method behind.
4) Scans are a part of the analytical method, but they depend on a number of factors: a) the quality of the medium; b) the quality of the burn (often related to the compatibility of the medium and the drive, which is not a quality issue); c) the quality of the recording drive; d) the quality of the playback drive; and e) the compatibility of the playback drive and the scanning software. Not all drives report information to Nero CD/DVD Speed scans. NEC drives limit the amount of reporting, and few drives give jitter information the way the latest BenQ drives do. Lite-On's K-Probe works only with Lite-On drives or drives built by Lite-On (Sony drives in Vaio systems; many Memorex drives; and some HP drives, for example.) Plextools works only with Plextor drives.

Bad scan results do not necessarily mean the medium was bad because compatibility could also be an issue (my main point all along!). One can rule out compatibilty as a factor in a bad scan if one can measure other criteria before recording or can find physical flaws on a disc. PIF spikes are often related to contamination in a disc--looking under a halogen light may reveal the cause of the error spike in many cases, and such flaws are legitimate arguments against quality. Scan results from different times are also valid as long as the drive and the computer are the same as in the original scan. Then nothing has changed but the medium (assuming the drive was not worn out. A laser diode is capabable of about 20,000 burns--more if the recordings are done at slower speeds/lower power levels.) If a disc shows much worse results in a follow-up scan than it did in the original scan, then it is a poor quality disc. This is an area where CMC 8X media need work, and people are right about that; and their scans bear that out.

Regards,
The "high school-debating entity full of BS" (Would that mean someone was "flaming" me?