BACKUPS on LIVE and getting BANNED

Stealth = Safe for live use
Non-stealth = Unsafe for live use

the only reason you would want the non stealth is if your console has already been banned and at that point there would be no reason in having a stealth fw on an xbox live dead (a 360 that cant connect to xbox live) console

 

^Thanks for the info. I was just wondering why there was a non-stealth. I guess the stealth wouldn't work on a banned console then. I hope I don't have to deal with it ever.

 

no the stealth will work on a banned xbox but what would be the point...the whole reason for stealth is to help keep your drive and backups somewhat hidded from M$

 

It's probably easier describing like this: First there was the mod, and it was awesome - but then m$ realised they could detect this mod because the mod didn't hide the fact the game wasn't an original - it just said "yeah, you can play it" to the xbox. In response to bannings the modders came up with a better version of the mod which is the stealth mod, which at least tries to hide the fact it's not an original disk by saying "yeah, you can play it, honest gov, it's alright!".

If you are banned, there is no point in worrying about what version of the mod to use - but if you aren't banned and want to make it a little harder for m$ to ban you, stealth is the way to go.

Obviously, the above description is dumbed down to the point of being complete cr*p - but still... shows a history to the naming.

 

i know this is a old thread but i figured it deserved a update. i have been extensively monitoring and testing with 2 xbox one modded one not.. i cannot seem to find any packets of information going out about previous games played offline (disconnected from network) That the xbox sends out after being connected to live. i am using a dual homed pc with etherpeak and various other tools running as well as a softwall that captures. can anyone confirm or deny if that information is retained and or sent. if so how much and if there is anything that can be done to circumvent it?

 

the only ones that know are the ones that work at microsoft.

 

to my understanding MS centralized servers have to send an request packet, before the Xbox will send back an acknowledged packet .

the Ack Packet could contain anything related to your Xbox.
the Req packet could be anything related to the network.

it would go something like this.

Req: Ban flagged
Ack: 320 Xbox are baned

So if we wanted to ban someone there Xbox would have to be flagged. hence why on rare cases someone will get banned that had done nothing wrong.

a flag can happen for reasons unknown to us. a bad game disc that you bought brand new can do it. a short in the console can do it.

there banning system is not state of the art stuff. would you want to scroll down a list of 500,000+ xbox and find the one to ban.

most bans are automated, so are the requests sent.

 

thank you for clearing that up. i kinda felt like a idiot because i am a net admin and i couldn't find it.. this sems to be the most accurate forum i have found so far. most forums make outrageous claims about the formware is what gets you banned and its a "hidden transmission that cannot be detected using a packet sniffer" **chuckles**

 

there very much detectable, and usually happen around the begging of a new month. you could wait and take the performance hit of running a sniffer.

its not like the information there is helpful, just a Mac address/and S/N of your console to be baned if worst come to worst.

 

thanks for the accurate information! now if only we could get confirmation on the offline played games que. i guess iw ill just have to run the sniffer for a month and have it dump to a text file on the pc

 

post your results when you're done. i'm sure there alot of people who would be interested in the info.

 

I'm interested too.

 

nice. maybe some good info will arise. way to take some initiative OP

 

i am gonna see what i can find. i would like to help the community

 

"Correct. There is no way to play with the possibility of being detected."
...Wtf is he talking about... first he said that you will probably get banned... now he says that "... There is no way to play with the possiblity of being detected...", hypocrit at all?

Another thing, where did you find the information in the first picture... to me this looks a lot like the old xbox logo... out of date at all? Also, you have no way of verifying these alligations; you don't back up your own games, you don't work for MS, you don't have a clue!

The owner of a highly regarded modding store in Australia said that none of his customers have reported being banned from xbox live after having modded their xbox 360. And he (or anybody else for that matter) has no idea why some people get banned an some people don't.

So before you start saying stuff (especially on a forum with such high traffic) maybe you should get your facts straight.

 

chris what are you on about you lost me dude?

 

I don't mind a debate at all, but Chris seems to be a bit aggressive. Relax dude... you don't have to put the guy down.

 

Well, here we go again with another one of these guys.

First off, your first quote was a typo and was fixed. If you couldn't figure that out on your own, well, I'm sorry.

Secondly yes, the pic is of an original Xbox game. But I guess you were too lazy to look at an Xbox 360 game and see it uses the same bar code. And what do you mean by "you don't back up your own games"? Who are you to tell me what I do and do not do?

I really like this comment from you the best: "you have no way of verifying these alligations". I'm discussing how it's not possible to make a 100% true backup on to recordable media, and you say there's no way to verify that. You're kidding me, right?

And then you go on to say "The owner of a highly regarded modding store in Australia said that none of his customers have reported being banned from xbox live after having modded their xbox 360." Yes... I'm sure the guy who makes a living on modding consoles and who's income would be affected if he did tell customers that consoles can be banned should be trusted over what others say.

Yep... you sure got me there. :/

Needless to say, we see your type around here quite often. After the next ban wave you guys are the ones to join forums just to shout how it's so unfair for MS to do this, how the guys who made the firmware are complete a$$holes for getting your console banned, etc., etc. You're the type who think that just because you haven't been banned yet that means you're perfectly safe.

 

Excellent thread! It answered almost all of my questions. I do have one more question. Apparently, the question of is it the backed-up game or the firmware that gets you banned from Live hasn't quite been answered, so I want to ask this, if I log onto Live with a modded box(and an original game in) and try to use MS points, will this send a flag and get me banned? I ask because I have some points I'd like to finish up and want to download a few things, mainly songs for Rock Band. Other than that, I RARELY use Live and would just keep my box disconnected.

 

No you cant get banned from signing in with hacked fw alone. you have to be using a bad backup to be detected. so hacked fw+retail games on live is just fine. Using your MS points on live is just fine. I have purchased lots of stuff and i have 2040 points to use myself and i cant decide what to buy LOL

just to ease your concern I can say I purcahsed GTA IV expansion lost and the damned the day it came out and i have hacked FW and i was using a backup of GTA...that was a few months ago or so