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You're not interfering at all.. we're all here to learn, NO matter status.

TDK is an ok brand but they have been known to use "2nd rate" media in the past. They have also been known to use excellent media in the past as well. TY is one they used years ago... to bad a lot of the companies are willing to use inferior discs to save a penny or two. That's the way it works I guess.

The Valueline TY discs are great but if you're doing archival work I'd consider something a little more "long" lasting. There are some available from Verbatim IIRC that are very expensive but are seemingly guaranteed for 100 years. I'm pretty sure if you use the "Premium" TY's you'll get a few decades out of them with ease as long as you store the discs correctly.

good luck to you.....

 

Thanks

In my internet travels i read some content some where suggesting some dvds were 10 year life, subject to storeage, so i usually make a user and then a keeper. But after i read the time period i started digging more to see the years. Today i called Funail co, one of the stand alones i have for tech question, but he had never heard such a thing as 10 year, thought it was a myth if you will.

Thanks for the reply.

 

Well constructed, well recorded, properly stored DVD+R media (DVD-R were not in the test) ought to last 40-50 years. This is based on destructive environmental testing whereby 95% of the tested discs were acceptable after a 39-year simulation and over half were acceptable beyond 52 years. All discs used azo-cyanine dye.

CD-Rs using phthalocyanine dye reached beyond 125 years in the same simulated two-stress (heat and humidity) destructive testing. The difference between DVD+R or DVD-R and CD-R discs is the composition of the dye and the construction differences. DVDs are bonded sandwiches of very thin polycarbonate that is very susceptible to deviations from flatness; CD-Rs are thicker, solid polycarbonate bases with larger tracks and marks that are less susceptible to non-flatness or "tilt" problems.

 

Inquiring minds wanna know, see what they code out as (I would think TYG03).

 

No need to inquire anymore guys: JVC Premium Grade DVD+R code out as:

Per ImgBurn: DISC ID:YUDEN000-T03-00

I like the new packaging and it explicitly and clearly says MADE IN JAPAN right on the JVC cover.

I'll see if I could remember how to post a DVDINFO Graph or w/e. Only ran it once or so to see and never posted.

 

So you bought the DVD+R discs. If you can snap a pic of the packaging that would be NICE too. Thanks for getting with us on this.. very good info!!!

 

The packaging is solid. They came in 2 50pk cake boxes. The distinct bluish/purplish color still on the writing surface. I'm glad you mentioned pics because my Logitech Webcam software seems to be giving me issues w/7 x64 Home, so I might have to return it for my money. Basically right now I can't take pics of the packaging, but it's very simple and straight forward.

It's a lil more than a 1/2 circle on the JVC cover getting cut straight down on the right side. Perfect as it shows just exactly what we need to see. All the JVC stuff, MIJ, write speed and usage in etc... I really don't see there will be any difference in quality burns at this point. I'll call Logitech now n see what's up. Don't have a Digital camera at the moment.

 

gm,

check out the posts by Two Degrees at this LINK. He posts pix of both -R and +R cake boxes besides running scans.

 

The Maxell, VD -R and +R,, i have them all used now, will the IMG Burn show the dye type or is it just the code that you go by.

tks

 

Thanks... HE did a nice job with the pix too. NO mistaking the "Made in Japan" either. lol.

 

No problem. Yeah, MIJ, good stuff indeed.

 

http://img682.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=picture1lv.jpg

I'm not a photographer, and I haven't used this often so hope it's ok. At least a general idea.

 

Back in 2006, a fluff piece was written -- pure propaganda and horsefeathers -- by a shill for IBM. The so-called claim was about how tape will last for decades (IBM, of course, just happens to sell taps and not discs -- wink, wink, nudge, nudge), but DVDs will only last 2-5 years.

In the past 3-4 years, this has been distorted and re-distorted, ranging anywhere from 6 months to 10-15 years, all of it being stupid, false, incorrect misinformation.

The "proof" from the article reminded me of a quote from the movie JFK, where it was said that, if you really want to, you can screw around with facts and figures enough to eventually prove an elephant can hang off a cliff with it's tail tied to a daisy. That's about the same quality of logic as was applied to the whole 2-5 years baloney.

Funai is correct -- it's a myth. As the quote goes, "lies, lies and more damn lies". And IBM was the liar (directly or indirectly, I don't know or care -- their name is involved with it).

What JoeRyan said about 40-50 years minimum is correct. Those are consistent results amongst many studies, including "big name" studies like the LOC, OSTA, NIST, Sony, Mitsubishi and others.

The only reason that the 2-5 year article ran was because PC World apparently picked it up first, followed by Yahoo News. As you may or may not know, their journalistic standards are even below that of Fox News or the National Enquirer, and they pretty much publish any piece of crap that gets pushed their direction. An article like that should NEVER have been circulated. Their standards are a bit better now, but in 2006 it was pretty much in the toilet.

After the propaganda nature of it was revealed, a lot of outlets removed it, going so far as to entirely scrub it from their archives.

"I read it on the Internet, it must be true". A lot of people laugh at this, but they do it anyway. That stupid story is doing damage years later.

MAM-A ran with this story, claiming that they have special gold DVDs that will last longer than "standard silver" discs -- or some nonsense to that effect. But the truth here is gold discs are HARDER to read, and will be the first discs to be unreadable many years down the road!

"A company said it, it must be true!" Again, people will laugh, but they still do it anyway! IBM and MAM-A have junk to sell you, truth is second to profit. Better buy a tinfoil hat to go with those gold DVDs and magnetic "archival" data tapes.

Want to have some fun? Archives.gov has a bunch of nonsense -- often contradicting itself on the same page! It's an odd mishmash of myth and fact, I get dizzy trying to read it.

Buy JVC Taiyo Yuden (any line), Sony (Taiwan) or Verbatim (not "Value Series"), and you are unlikely to have any problems.

More on these topics at http://www.digitalfaq.com/guides/media/index.htm

Alright, back to work!

 

After about 10 minutes of searching, I finally came across a copy of the article that wasn't a dead link. Again, this was nothing more than a heavily slanted IBM-biased puff piece with strong undertones to buy their products:
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/107607/Storage_expert_warns_of_short_life_span_for_burned_CDs

This is "patient zero" when it comes to myths on DVD longevity.

 

I just received this today from a "very reliable source"

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rc1489--
The suggestions you posted for safeguarding data are correct, but heat is also one of the critical enemies of longevity. lordsmurf's observations are also correct, but the original author was not a shill for IBM but a tape researcher. His observations were completely biased and probably based on the worst discs he could find that were likely to have been intentionally incompatible with his recording drive. (Sony once did much the same thing at a CES demo, but that's another story.)

You had an earlier question about dyes--the MID code will not tell you what dye is used for a disc unless you understand the codes or know what a factory is actually using. Most DVD discs use azo cyanine dye, although there are some producers using cyanine. If an "F" appears in the MID code, it is very likely to be Fuji's Oxonol dye that was used. This dye requires slightly greater laser power for recording, but initial environmental tests suggested it might be superior to azo cyanine in longevity. Unfortunately the testing was never completed due to the time and cost involved. (A full test, such as the one that indicated a lifetime for well recorded DVD+R media >39 years with 95% confidence and an average of 52 years takes ten to eleven months from beginning to end.)

 

So some of these will show you dye types but others if they don't, you contact the company?

http://www.supermediastore.com/prod...er-thermal-8x-dvd-r-media-200?max=15&offset=0
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817130991
http://www.mediasupply.com/ver-94852-50.html
http://www.mediasupply.com/dvd-r47valwppsk-100.html

I guess before i order to many more all 3 devices i have have different specs in the manuals, so iguess i need try 3 or 4 different types for the present, until a device needs changed out.
tks

 

@lordsmurf

National Inquirer had the Tiger Woods story way before any major new sources and Fox, I believe, was the first TV news to report it.

There are no news-worthy news sources left in the USA, but I digress.

I'll be looking for the JVC +Rs also. LOL

 

Getting back on topic, so are there even any B&M stores that carry the new JVC DVDs?

 

That's the $29.99 dollar question. If according to Yuden they want the average user to be more privy to them then my guess is they would be soon. I'm not totally sure though, but it only makes sense as Verbs are in B&M stores.

Online purchasing to me is a convenience at times along w/good deals.
I don't mind at all though hitting Best Buy or the local mom n pop here that's carrying prodisc, Ritek etc...

Maybe Joe Ryan can lighten this up a bit as well.