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Yeah, that's what the report said, but geez, it's been what 3 or 4 month since TY took over JVC and still no JVC media at B&Ms. It's a great plan on paper but they still need to execute it. For me, it would be great to pop into my local BB or Staples and grab some JVC DVDs when I need them, but I'm not against buying them online if I have to.

 

Did you know about this move way back, or did it hit you until recently like for a lot of us? I just happened to spot the small print in Meritline's description. Bottom line is that to just stay online now is totally contradictary to what their plan is. You know how it is w/business though. They'll do w/e moves the $$$ most.

 

Call the company and ask about the dye used? Good luck with that. Manufacturers and brands mostly despise the fact that consumers know anything about media IDs, dye types, etc. Getting information from them -- even as a tech journalist -- can be a pain in the butt.

Taiyo Yuden bought the JVC brand name back in 2008. They started to use it in October 2009 finally. More details at http://www.digitalfaq.com/forum/showthread.php/jvc-takes-over-1760.html

Sorry JoeRyan, have to disagree with you on the "IBM shill" comment. Maybe the writer was not, but the source most definitely was: "Kurt Gerecke, a physicist and storage expert at IBM Deutschland GmbH" (quote pulled right out of the article). The article was mostly quotes and paraphrasing from that guy -- somebody who was (I believe) later revealed to know next to nothing about optical media, being an expert solely in magnetic media. So it's possible he pulled some of the CD/DVD "research" completely out of his butt. I don't know if it was ever revealed if the writer had an ulterior motive -- personally I think he just sucked at vetting his sources. It reminds me a lot of that equally-silly Netflix "throttling" article (which was mostly BS around a tiny core of truth). That too, was largely revealed for the shameful media-whoring it was, but conspiracy myths about Netflix persist, too.

If TY is planning to ship JVC to B&M's, then realize the B&M's will want to place minimum orders. If TY really wants to enter the B&M market, then it's likely production is in full force right now to create that initial orders. And it will take a number of months to fill it, I'm sure.

I think it's OSTA that has publicly available documents on media testing. Some of the aging tests take years to complete, and it can cost a small fortune. Your R&D costs at work.

If anybody needs me, I'm generally found hanging around the digitalFAQ.com and videohelp.com forums regularly, though I try to visit afterdawn at least once a month.

Happy burning.

 

I was referring to Herr Gerecke, the original author of the article, who was not a shill but an IBM employee and "physicist." You must have meant the author of the fluff piece, not the white paper.

JVC media will, perhaps, be as widespread as JVC equipment--which rules out most retail outlets, certainly the largest ones. The costs of media manufacturing in Japan, unsubsidized by the government as it is in Taiwan, make it very difficult for Taiyo Yuden to compete in the retail market where the retail margins are expected to be greater than 30% and suppliers must pay for space on shelves. Those shelves are getting smaller for optical media every week. Retailers also demand up-front money for flyers and promotional activities. At one point in the mid 1990's TDK knocked BASF VHS tapes out of Wal-mart by: 1) offering the lowest price in the business; 2) buying up all BASF stock and destroying it; 3) paying Wal-mart $3 million for ad support and shelf space before a single TDK cassette got into a store. The "victory" provided TDK's worst loss ever. It's very difficult to earn back $3 million when you earn a half penny or less on each stock item.

A question arose about metal azo cyanine and whether or not that was a different dye. Cyanine and azo cyanine are both unstable in light and heat unless they are stabilized by metalizers in the formulations. So both azo cyanine and regular cyanine can have the adjective "metal" added to them, and some companies emphasize the addition as a special feature.

 

1 quick ? How did Verbatim manage to survive the retail market etc...? The Taiwanese subsidizing? Worked out pretty well imo. They're very good still and a very close 2nd if not 1st to some next to TYs. Everyone has their individual likes/dislikes.

 

Taiyo Yuden = MIJ / JVC = Victor Company of Japan. This all make sense

 

If the cost was a issue from the 1st place, then how are they saving money by keeping the same plants in the same place producing the same stuff? It's all Japan. What, JVC will incur some of the overhead now?

Who cares anyway. As long as we all have a longer run w/TYS until reality sets in it's all good.

 

Well thatr can be the case for a layman trying to decipher specs
but if it's not all listed then again how do you find out, maybe i'm missing something?

I am not above doing that , maybe if i have to.

who is the user?
tks

 

Well, the idea is to sell in volume by making TYs (JVC in this case) available to the general masses via retail outlets like Best Buy, Staples, OM, etc., etc. That means selling a ton of media at a lower profit margin while competing against the likes of Verbatim, Sony, etc., and the sad part original Taiyo Yuden. If and when the new JVC media will be able to establish a foot in the door with retailers will be the key to their success. Personally, I think JVC will have to undercut Verbs, Sony and others in price to be successful. I say this because I think the general population will NOT be aware of just how great MIJ JVC media is and will pass on them if JVC media is $0.05 per disc more, afterall, why pay more if "it's all the same". And if none of that happens, how long can Taiyo Yuden remain in business running two production lines (which compete against each other)?

 

Exactly and according to Joe Ryan the likelihood of them hitting Retail Stores is very slim, well I think he said large retailers, but best Buy etc... are pretty large if not small. Only matter of time Taiwan kicks in. Maybe that's the delay also who knows. I mean how can they start selling say DVD+Rs at about $24.99 like Verbatim does occasionally from the gate. No way.

Sony's having a great ole time w/the whole Blu-ray thingy. How they're making up for that mess is the best kept secret afaik. Not even their TVs are no.1 anymore.

 

This looks reasonable. Haven't had any experience with their mail-in rebate:

http://www.buy.com/prod/verbatim-dv...vd-r-media/q/loc/101/10412809.html?adid=17653

 

Never had any issues with buy.com or Verbatim.. Top notch companies Cyprus.

 

I don't burn much lately, I switched to "digital"))), Divx/H.264,but I do have a stack of a couple hundred Verbs from when I was burning regularly,top notch indeed, and had great success with Buy.com too, just never had an experience with mail-in rebates from them. Some companies(Office Max for example), totally suck at it, will NEVER EVER get fooled by them again...

 

YEah.. with them it's double dot and double cross to make sure you don't screw it up.. lol.

I've been lucky with rebates... whenever I didn't forget to mail them in on time... I've ALAWAYS got my rebate.. even with the "difficult" companies.

 

Office Max has 100 disc cakeboxes of Verbatim DVDs for $19.99 + tax (no rebate necessary) through Sunday January 24th . . .

 

Thanks for the heads-up Catfreak. Here's the link

That price is good at B&M too. Sale ends 1/23 BTW.

 

Thank you kind sir....

 

Pardon me for jumping in again, i see you stopped "burning lately" because of Divx. I only know it's a newer format, but you haveno need to burn it or is it the CR, status?

I yet have no need for it yet, but need to ask the question if to use in the future
tks

 

The CR, status?

No, I convert the movies to Divx/H.264 and play them off an external storage device(USB stick, HDD)

 

CR- copy r;

as you can tell i am far from being any where near sharp on converting, so i gather after you convert it you have no need to store it? That's just the nature of Divx? Wish i knew more.
tks

i have some taiyo yuden 8x coming ther end of the week, see how they compare to verbs.