Hello, I have a copy of The Flaming Lips 'Yoshimi' album that should be in 5.1 surround sound, but the files are .ogg, and I'm not sure what program I need to use to burn these so I get the 5.1 sound. Also, do I need to use a standard cd, or a dvd for this?
You have made many assumptions which are probably wrong. Ogg files are only stereo, no 5.1. They are exactly like mp3s except for a unix OS. Just because you can buy a 5.1 DVD doesn't mean what you have was ever 5.1. The 5.1 DVD comes with a audio CD or you can just buy the audio CD. I don't think you and even buy the DVD alone. Because oggs are lossy and probably nothing you have will play them other than a computer app you will take a quality hit depending on how lossy those oggs are when you do burn them to a audio CD. dbPowerAmp will convert the files from ogg to a format you usually use to burn CDs.
wrong .ogg is an open free format for media files .. it's not "for" anything.. as you would know if you try playing one with vlc on ANY operating system! I think imgburn will make an audio cd from them without any further messing about.. k3b does, but that supports all kinds of free open media format conversions on the fly. I released the net version of my last album in .ogg format.. it sounds far better than mp3 for the same filesize.
I do not use ogg much so I stand corrected that it is a general container. Ogg is used on Unix because of licensing issues. Ogg is a free format mp3s are not. As far as ogg being better quality than mp3s you stand in a minority probably because you really don't know what you are talking about. Stick to your oggs. Mp3s have many formats most formats have many many variables, produced by many encoders resulting in nearly infinite combinations. Making such a blanket statement that is quite ignorant. You are probably comparing a VBR ogg to a CBR mp3. Lame mp3 VBRs are considered the highest quality for size for a standard audio format by most of the informed audio world. This is because it has no know artifacts leaving the rest of the encoders in the dust including oggs. That is why there is a sticky for Lame settings on this forum. I didn't put it there, that is just reality.
Just b/c it sounds better to your ears, doesn't mean it will, to everyone else.. None of us share ears..If I were to choose a lossy format, I would stick to mp3 or aac for compatibility reasons..Not b/c it "sounds better" at least not to me, when conducting proper ABX testing.. To each their ears, errr 'own..
k00ka, Thanks for lightening the thread a bit. I came down too hard, it must have been a bad day for me. Sorry ps355528! You are correct in that most lossy, if made correctly, with enough bits, sounds as good as lossless unless you get an artifact. They are rare even with the poorer encoders. However no telling how bad they can be. I have heard one that sounded like a pebble hitting you windshield at better than 50 MPH. The original lossy didn't have any but when it was made into an audio CD it came out in the conversion. To digress, I have seen lots of chopping artifacts ( Chopping up an album into tracks). This only occurs for me when chopping lossless files. Often likely compressed ape files. I now compress before I chop which mysteriously circumvents the problems. Apparently the artifact is not caused by the audio.
Well, I like how my question/thread became a battle. Good times Thanks for the answers Mez and ps355528!
Well I wasn't so pleased with myself. The BIG question is, did you burn the oggs with imgburn and did it come out as a 5.1 audio? One of my original points was that the 5.1 DVD is a rare item when compared with audio CD. Unless you knew that the source was 5.1 DVD chances were that it was just a regular audio CD. I usually take correction better than I did in this thread. I actually REALLY dislike oggs from a compatibility issue. You almost HAVE to convert them to something else for most listening such as CDs mp3 players etc. Then you get into conversion quality loss. I guess since I normally listen to either CDs or mp3 players oggs mean low quality for me because of the conversion. I can only listen to oggs on my computer which has garbage for a sound system. Few persons I know have a HiFi system plugged into their computer. Releasing an album as an ogg is planned lower quality as I see it, from my biased point of view. I guess I vented too much of my own frustration on someone just trying to be helpful.
We all have occasional bad days Mez..No worries, afaic..And yeah the OP never actually said what they finally used..Imgburn will of course burn the ogg tracks as either data files in 'Build mode, or burn a standard Audio CD which means 2 ch. PCM/wav.. So Imgburn will not convert 5.1 to stereo, AFAIK.. Now what I have an issue with is statements like " it sounds far better than mp3 for the same filesize "..Of course their entitled to their own opinion, but it sure sounds like they are implying that ogg sounds better than MP3..Again we're all entitled to our own opinions..Now I would'nt have any problem, had it been written as, "it sounds far better than mp3 for the same filesize" 'to my ears', based on my own test results.. Cheers!
Mez, I used imgburn and ended up with a a stereo mix. I know that the album was released on a 5.1 dvd at one point, but I have no clue as to whether or not this is an actual rip from the dvd and not just the cd that is included. As for now, I'm just giving up on trying to make it work, when I'm not even sure of the source.
What you are referring to was a rare premium release that cost more than double that of the regular CD. Because it was a rare and expensive release, unless you are sure about the source it is likely that it was just the normal release. Plus, out side of the ogg world, 5.1 has a larger and different file format. I would guess if it was a 5.1 packaged in an ogg you would have difficulty burning it to an audio disk. It wouldn't be a straight conversion. Just like burning an audio CD from a movie DVD files. I doubt a burning app would make that kind of conversion automatically.
