I am a extreme newbie at this so I will try my best to explain my problem. I used dvd shrink to rip my movie into a temp file. When i try to burn it with my external DVR-108 I keep getting this nero error log. I am using the nero 7 here is the log i get it starts to burn and in like 10 secs it stops. ********** Nero Recode ********** Version: 2.2.7.6 Project type: Copy entire DVD Target size: DVD5 (2282925) 17:40:56 File LangStreamPatcher.cpp, Line 56 Command table patching started... 17:40:56 File LangStreamPatcher.cpp, Line 135 All tables successfully patched! Burn settings: Target: PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-108 Number of copies: 1 Write speed: 0 KB/s Temp folder: C:\Documents and Settings\ME\My Documents\Nero Recode (40017309696 bytes free) Direct burning: false Target media: DVD+R/RW, DVD-R/RW, DVD-RAM, DVD-R DL, DVD+R DL Shutdown when finished: false Advanced Analysis: false Compress Adaptive: false 17:41:13 File burn_dvdfiles.cpp, Line 231 Compile DVD: init VMG Menus Vobs [99 vobus] 13.15MB -> 12.92MB [R 0.93] Video: 11.38MB, extra: 1.54MB Audio: 1 streams 0. 0. Dolby Digital 5.1-ch Unspecified 1.34MB [enabled] Subpicture: 1 streams 0. 0. Unspecified 0.01MB [enabled] VTS_01 Menus Vobs [965 vobus] 168.34MB -> 164.50MB [R 0.93] Video: 140.43MB, extra: 24.07MB Audio: 1 streams 0. 0. Dolby Digital 5.1-ch Unspecified 19.64MB [enabled] Subpicture: 1 streams 0. 0. Unspecified 2.55MB [enabled] VTS_01 Title Vobs [19306 vobus] 4219.40MB -> 4219.40MB [R 1.00] Video: 3623.34MB, extra: 596.06MB Audio: 5 streams 0. 0. Dolby Digital 5.1-ch English 551.13MB [enabled] 1. 1. DTS 5.1-ch English 0.00MB [enabled] 2. 2. Dolby Digital 2-ch English 0.00MB [enabled] 3. 3. Dolby Digital 2-ch English- Director's Comment 0.00MB [enabled] 4. 4. Dolby Digital 2-ch English- Director's Comment 0.00MB [enabled] Subpicture: 2 streams 0. 0. English 7.22MB [enabled] 1. 1. Spanish 0.00MB [enabled] VTS_02 Menus Vobs [444 vobus] 62.92MB -> 61.70MB [R 0.93] Video: 52.19MB, extra: 9.51MB Audio: 1 streams 0. 0. Dolby Digital 5.1-ch Unspecified 8.13MB [enabled] Subpicture: 1 streams 0. 0. Unspecified 0.51MB [enabled] VTS_02 Title Vobs [5 vobus] 0.02MB -> 0.02MB [not compressable] Video: 0.01MB, extra: 0.01MB Audio: 0 streams Subpicture: 0 streams 17:41:13 File burn_dvdfiles.cpp, Line 1152 Compile DVD: begin copy 1 17:41:16 File NeroRecorderBase.cpp, Line 506 Writing to disc: D 17:41:16 File NeroRecorderBase.cpp, Line 520 Free capacity on disc: 2283085 sectors (2295104) 17:41:16 File burn_dvdfiles.cpp, Line 479 Compile DVD: burning 2283085 sectors (2282925 required) 17:41:16 File burn_dvdfiles.cpp, Line 656 Compile DVD: adjust target size to 4459.15MB (4459.15MB obtained) 17:41:16 File burn_dvdfiles.cpp, Line 524 Compiling DVD Volume started 17:41:18 File burn_dvdfiles.cpp, Line 1058 Compile DVD: finished VMG Menus Vobs VMG Menus Vobs: Original 13.15MB -> Expected 12.93MB -> Output 12.93MB Finished error -0.00MB Ratio encoded = 52 Original encoded = 43 Slide encoded = 4 StillImage encoded = 0 Output extra size = 1.46MB Source video size = 11.69MB Pictures Modified [I 79] [P 3] [B 424] 17:41:53 File burn_dvdfiles.cpp, Line 1058 Compile DVD: finished VTS_01 Menus Vobs VTS_01 Menus Vobs: Original 168.34MB -> Expected 164.72MB -> Output 164.72MB Finished error -0.00MB Ratio encoded = 782 Original encoded = 173 Slide encoded = 10 StillImage encoded = 0 Output extra size = 22.30MB Source video size = 146.04MB Pictures Modified [I 923] [P 34] [B 6356] 17:44:44 File NeroRecorder.cpp, Line 609 Added extra file VTS_01_2.VOB 17:46:53 File NeroRecorder.cpp, Line 609 Added extra file VTS_01_3.VOB 17:49:14 File NeroRecorder.cpp, Line 609 Added extra file VTS_01_4.VOB 17:51:22 File burn_dvdfiles.cpp, Line 1058 Compile DVD: finished VTS_01 Title Vobs VTS_01 Title Vobs: Original 4219.40MB -> Expected 4219.40MB -> Output 4219.40MB Finished error -0.00MB Ratio encoded = 0 Original encoded = 19306 Slide encoded = 0 StillImage encoded = 0 Output extra size = 576.69MB Source video size = 3642.71MB Pictures Modified [I 0] [P 0] [B 0] 17:51:22 File NeroRecorder.cpp, Line 609 Added extra file VTS_01_5.VOB 17:51:35 File burn_dvdfiles.cpp, Line 1058 Compile DVD: finished VTS_02 Menus Vobs VTS_02 Menus Vobs: Original 62.92MB -> Expected 61.77MB -> Output 61.77MB Finished error -0.00MB Ratio encoded = 260 Original encoded = 181 Slide encoded = 3 StillImage encoded = 0 Output extra size = 9.60MB Source video size = 53.32MB Pictures Modified [I 367] [P 0] [B 2123] 17:51:35 File burn_dvdfiles.cpp, Line 1058 Compile DVD: finished VTS_02 Title Vobs VTS_02 Title Vobs: Original 0.02MB -> Expected 0.02MB -> Output 0.02MB Finished error -0.00MB Ratio encoded = 0 Original encoded = 5 Slide encoded = 0 StillImage encoded = 0 Output extra size = 0.01MB Source video size = 0.01MB Pictures Modified [I 0] [P 0] [B 0] 17:51:35 File burn_dvdfiles.cpp, Line 547 Compile DVD: completed successfuly (4459.15MB) 17:51:36 File NeroRecorderBase.cpp, Line 1130 Burning 15 files with total size of 4675758080 bytes on hard disk 17:51:38 File burn_dvdfiles.cpp, Line 1152 Compile DVD: begin copy 1 Windows XP 5.1 IA32 WinAspi: - ahead WinASPI: File 'C:\Program Files\Nero\Nero 7\Core\Wnaspi32.dll': Ver=2.0.1.74, size=164112 bytes, created 11/2/2004 12:54:32 PM NT-SPTI used Nero API version: 7.0.1.4 Using interface version: 7.0.0.0 Installed in: C:\Program Files\Nero\Nero 7\Core\ Application: Ahead\Nero Recode Internal Version: 7, 0, 1, 4 Recorder: <PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-108> Version: 1.14 - HA 1 TA 1 - 7.0.1.4 Adapter driver: <USB> HA 1 Drive buffer : 2000kB Bus Type : set to ATAPI (3) -> ATAPI, detected: ? === Scsi-Device-Map === DiskPeripheral : ST380011A atapi Port 0 ID 0 DMA: On CdRomPeripheral : SAMSUNG CD-ROM SN-124 atapi Port 1 ID 0 DMA: On === CDRom-Device-Map === SAMSUNG CD-ROM SN-124 D: CDRom0 PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-108 E: CDRom1 ======================= AutoRun : 1 Excluded drive IDs: WriteBufferSize: 40894464 (0) Byte ShowDrvBufStat : 0 BUFE : 0 Physical memory : 253MB (260080kB) Free physical memory: 96MB (98656kB) Memory in use : 62 Uncached PFiles: 0x0 Use Inquiry : 1 Global Bus Type: default (0) Check supported media : Disabled (0) 11.1.2006 NeroAPI 5:51:40 PM #1 Phase 112 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 278 DVD-Video files reallocation started 5:51:40 PM #2 Phase 114 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 278 DVD-Video files reallocation completed (no file modified) 5:51:40 PM #3 Phase 111 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 278 DVD-Video files sorted 5:51:41 PM #4 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 525 ReadBuffer-Pipe got 39936KB of Memory 5:51:41 PM #5 Text 0 File Reader.cpp, Line 124 Reader running 5:51:41 PM #6 Text 0 File Writer.cpp, Line 113 Writer E: PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-108 running 5:51:41 PM #7 ISO9660GEN -11 File Geniso.cpp, Line 3312 First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000) 5:51:41 PM #8 ISO9660GEN -11 File Geniso.cpp, Line 3312 First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000) 5:51:41 PM #9 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3342 Turn on Disc-At-Once, using DVD media 5:51:42 PM #10 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 279 Last possible write address on media: 2295103 (510:01.28, 4482MB) Last address to be written: 2283631 (507:28.31, 4460MB) 5:51:42 PM #11 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 291 Write in overburning mode: NO (enabled: CD) 5:51:42 PM #12 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 2578 Recorder: PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-108, Media type: DVD+R Disc Manufacturer ID: RICOHJPN, Media Type ID: R03, Product revision number: 4 Disc Application Code: 0, Extended Information Indicators: 7 5:51:42 PM #13 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 458 >>> Protocol of DlgWaitCD activities: <<< ========================================= 5:51:42 PM #14 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 847 Setup items (after recorder preparation) 0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 () 2 indices, index0 (150) not provided original disc pos #0 + 2283632 (2283632) = #2283632/507:28.32 relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/ required, no patch infos -> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 2283632 blocks [E: PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-108] -------------------------------------------------------------- 5:51:42 PM #15 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 1059 Prepare recorder [E: PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-108] for write in CUE-sheet-DAO DAO infos: ========== MCN: "" TOCType: 0x00; Session Closed, disc fixated Tracks 1 to 1: 1: TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x00, FilePos 0 0 4676878336, ISRC "" DAO layout: =========== __Start_|____Track_|_Idx_|_CtrlAdr_|_RecDep__________ 0 | lead-in | 0 | 0x41 | 0x00 0 | 1 | 0 | 0x41 | 0x00 0 | 1 | 1 | 0x41 | 0x00 2283632 | lead-out | 1 | 0x41 | 0x00 5:51:42 PM #16 Text 0 File SCSIPassThrough.cpp, Line 36 SPTILockVolume - completed successfully for FCTL_LOCK_VOLUME 5:51:42 PM #17 Phase 24 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 278 Caching of files started 5:51:42 PM #18 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 4176 Cache writing successful. 5:51:42 PM #19 Phase 25 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 278 Caching of files completed 5:51:42 PM #20 Phase 36 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 278 Burn process started at 4x (5,540 KB/s) 5:51:42 PM #21 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2685 Verifying disc position of item 0 (relocatable, disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0 5:51:43 PM #22 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 8411 ---- DVD Structure: Physical Format Information (00h) ---- Layer: 0, Address: 0 (0 h), AGID: 0; Length: 2050 Book Type: DVD+R (10), Part Version: 1.0x (1) Disc Size: 120 mm, Maximum Rate: <not specified> (F h) Number of Layers: 1, Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP), Layer Type: recordable Linear Density: 0,267 um/bit, Track Density: 0,74 um/track Starting Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 30000 h (DVD-ROM, DVD-R/-RW, DVD+R/+RW) End Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 26053F h End Sector Number in Layer 0: 0 h (LBN: FFFD0000 h, 4193920 MB) Data in Burst Cutting Area (BCA) does not exist Disc Application Code: 0 / 0 h Extended Information indicators: 7 h Disc Manufacturer ID: RICOHJPN Media type ID: R03 Product revision number: 4 Number of Physical format information bytes in use in ADIP up to byte 63: 56 Media Specific [16..63]: 00 00 07 52 49 43 4F 48 - 4A 50 4E 52 30 33 04 38 ...RICOHJPNR03.8 23 54 37 13 00 44 73 00 - 84 6D 15 15 0B 0B 08 08 #T7..Ds..m...... 01 19 1B 0C 0C 0C 0D 01 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................ 5:51:43 PM #23 Text 0 File DVDPlusRW.cpp, Line 666 Start write address at LBA 0 DVD high compatibility mode: Yes 5:51:44 PM #24 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1197 17:51:44.529 - E: PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-108 : Queue again later 5:51:47 PM #25 SPTI -600 File SCSIPassThrough.cpp, Line 323 E: CdRom1: SCSIStatus(x00) WinError(121) NeroError(-600) Sense Key: 0x00 (KEY_NO_SENSE) Sense Code: 0x00 Sense Qual: 0x00 CDB Data: 0x2A 00 00 00 03 00 00 00 20 00 00 00 Sense Area: 0x00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Buffer x06850000: Len x10000 0x00 00 01 BA 44 00 3E FD DC 81 01 89 C3 F8 00 00 0x01 E0 07 EC 81 00 00 56 22 D6 80 0E D1 9F BA 71 0x25 88 B5 A0 73 7D 5D 9E 8D CF 1B A0 AE D1 89 85 5:51:47 PM #26 CDR -600 File Writer.cpp, Line 302 Device not available E: PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-108 5:51:47 PM #27 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 228 all writers idle, stopping conversion 5:51:48 PM #28 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 222 conversion idle, stopping reader 5:53:53 PM #29 Phase 127 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 278 Generating DVD high compatibility borders 5:53:53 PM #30 Phase 129 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 278 Generating DVD borders completed successfully 5:53:53 PM #31 Phase 38 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 278 Burn process failed at 4x (5,540 KB/s) Existing drivers: File 'Drivers\ADPU160M.SYS': Ver=v3.60a (Lab01_N(johnstra).010529-2218), size=101888 bytes, created 8/17/2001 3:07:32 PM Registry Keys: HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\WinLogon\AllocateCDROMs : 0 (Security Option) 17:53:54 File NeroRecorderBase.cpp, Line 936 Burn failed (3) 17:53:55 File burn_dvdfiles.cpp, Line 301 Compile DVD: exit
Your firmware is out of date, current version is 1.20. Here is link to it. http://forum.rpc1.org/dl_firmware.php?download_id=1898 YOu wanna aim for 4300MB. Best not to write to far to the edge of the disc. Try Yuden or Verbs. That might help. Sony Fuji are good if they are made in japan.
i have the same problem can anyone sugest a firmware upgrade or somthing this is what it tells me 1A20-0316-0010-1205-0007-9835 Windows XP 5.1 IA32 WinAspi: File 'Wnaspi32.dll': Ver=4.60 (1021), size=45056 bytes, created 9/10/1999 12:06:00 PM ahead WinASPI: File 'C:\Program Files\Ahead\Nero\Wnaspi32.dll': Ver=2.0.1.74, size=164112 bytes, created 10/26/2004 6:35:34 PM Nero API version: 6.6.0.18 Using interface version: 6.3.1.4 Installed in: C:\Program Files\Ahead\Nero\ Application: ahead\Nero - Burning Rom Internal Version: 6, 6, 0, 18e Recorder: <_NEC DVD_RW ND-3500AG> Version: 2.98 - HA 0 TA 0 - 6.6.0.18 Adapter driver: <atapi> HA 0 Drive buffer : 2048kB Bus Type : default (0) -> ATAPI, detected: ATAPI === Scsi-Device-Map === CdRomPeripheral : _NEC DVD_RW ND-3500AG atapi Port 0 ID 0 DMA: On CdRomPeripheral : LITE-ON DVD SOHD-167T atapi Port 0 ID 1 DMA: On DiskPeripheral : ST3200822AS atapi Port 1 ID 0 DMA: On CdRomPeripheral : SCSIVAX DVD/CD-ROM 2.7a Vax347s Port 3 ID 0 DMA: Off === CDRom-Device-Map === _NEC DVD_RW ND-3500AG E: CDRom0 LITE-ON DVD SOHD-167T F: CDRom1 SCSIVAX DVD/CD-ROM K: CDRom2 ======================= AutoRun : 1 Excluded drive IDs: WriteBufferSize: 83886080 (0) Byte ShowDrvBufStat : 0 BUFE : 0 Physical memory : 1013MB (1038100kB) Free physical memory: 549MB (562224kB) Memory in use : 45 % Uncached PFiles: 0x0 Use Inquiry : 1 Global Bus Type: default (0) Check supported media : Disabled (0) 27.1.2006 NeroAPI 2:33:18 AM #1 Phase 112 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 276 DVD-Video files reallocation started 2:33:18 AM #2 Phase 114 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 276 DVD-Video files reallocation completed (no file modified) 2:33:18 AM #3 Phase 111 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 276 DVD-Video files sorted 2:33:18 AM #4 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 6573 Book Type counter: 500, Book Type selected in EEPROM, command version 2 2:33:18 AM #5 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 6573 Book Type counter: 500, Book Type selected in EEPROM, command version 2 2:33:18 AM #6 Text 0 File Reader.cpp, Line 127 Reader running 2:33:18 AM #7 Text 0 File AudioCompilationImpl.cpp, Line 842 DRM: StartDrmRecording(RealRec:1, ImageRec:0, Copies:1) DRM: Beginning burn process. 2:33:18 AM #8 ISO9660GEN -11 File geniso.cpp, Line 3309 First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000) 2:33:18 AM #9 ISO9660GEN -11 File geniso.cpp, Line 3309 First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000) 2:33:18 AM #10 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3233 Turn on Disc-At-Once, using DVD media 2:33:51 AM #11 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 270 Last possible write address on media: 4173823 (927:30.73, 8151MB) Last address to be written: 2763263 (614:03.38, 5396MB) 2:33:51 AM #12 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 282 Write in overburning mode: NO 2:33:51 AM #13 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 2483 Recorder: _NEC DVD_RW ND-3500AG, Media type: DVD+R9 Double Layer 2:33:51 AM #14 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 448 >>> Protocol of DlgWaitCD activities: <<< ========================================= Insert empty disc to write to. (Medium in drive: unknown. Medium required by compilation: DVD+R/RW, DVD-R/RW, DVD+R DL.) 2:33:51 AM #15 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 838 Setup items (after recorder preparation) 0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 () 2 indices, index0 (150) not provided original disc pos #0 + 2763264 (2763264) = #2763264/614:3.39 relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/ required, no patch infos -> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 2763264 blocks [_NEC DVD_RW ND-3500AG] -------------------------------------------------------------- 2:33:51 AM #16 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 1051 Prepare recorder [_NEC DVD_RW ND-3500AG] for write in CUE-sheet-DAO DAO infos: ========== MCN: "" TOCType: 0x00; Session Closed, disc fixated Tracks 1 to 1: 1: TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x00, FilePos 0 0 5659164672, ISRC "" DAO layout: =========== __Start_|____Track_|_Idx_|_CtrlAdr_|_RecDep__________ 0 | lead-in | 0 | 0x41 | 0x00 0 | 1 | 0 | 0x41 | 0x00 0 | 1 | 1 | 0x41 | 0x00 2763264 | lead-out | 1 | 0x41 | 0x00 2:33:51 AM #17 Phase 24 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 276 Caching of files started 2:33:51 AM #18 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 4122 Cache writing successful. 2:33:51 AM #19 Phase 25 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 276 Caching of files completed 2:33:51 AM #20 Phase 36 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 276 Burn process started at 2.4x (3,324 KB/s) 2:33:51 AM #21 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2661 Verifying disc position of item 0 (relocatable, disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0 2:33:53 AM #22 SCSI -1093 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1182 SCSI Exec, HA 0, TA 0, LUN 0, buffer 0x12204E00 Status: 0x04 (0x01, SCSI_ERR) HA-Status 0x00 (0x00, OK) TA-Status 0x02 (0x01, SCSI_TASTATUS_CHKCOND) Sense Key: 0x03 (KEY_MEDIUM_ERROR) Sense Code: 0x02 Sense Qual: 0x00 CDB Data: 0xBF 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x20 0x00 0x0C 0x00 0x00 Sense Data: 0x70 0x00 0x03 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x0A 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x02 0x00 2:33:53 AM #23 Text 0 File DVDPlusDualLayer.cpp, Line 639 L0 Data Zone Capacity not set. Max LBA L0 2086911 (1FD7FFh, 4075MB), next writable address 0 (0h, 0MB) 2:33:53 AM #24 CDR -1093 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 1778 No seek complete 2:33:53 AM #25 TRANSFER -27 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 1778 Could not perform start of Disc-at-once 2:33:53 AM #26 Phase 38 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 276 Burn process failed at 2.4x (3,324 KB/s) 2:33:53 AM #27 Text 0 File AudioCompilationImpl.cpp, Line 867 DRM: DRM burn session terminated. 2:33:53 AM #28 Text 0 File AudioCompilationImpl.cpp, Line 896 DRM: Closing entire DRM handling. Bye. 2:33:55 AM #29 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 6573 Book Type counter: 500, Book Type selected in EEPROM, command version 2 2:33:55 AM #30 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 6573 Book Type counter: 500, Book Type selected in EEPROM, command version 2 Existing drivers: File 'Drivers\ADPU160M.SYS': Ver=v3.60a (Lab01_N(johnstra).010529-2218), size=101888 bytes, created 8/17/2001 11:07:32 PM File 'Drivers\ASPI32.SYS': Ver=4.60 (1021), size=25244 bytes, created 9/10/1999 12:06:00 PM Registry Keys: HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\WinLogon\AllocateCDROMs : 0 (Security Option)
should be a paper and pencil in top right of your post click on it and x out your s/n starts with 1a20 second line of your post
http://forum.rpc1.org/dl_firmware.php?download_id=1904 I don't know which aplies to you so here you go.
