Hello I would like to have a debate about Capitalism and Communism. Unfortunately I really don't know which to go for either, but this is the way I see it. Capitalism is basically, you get what you get yourself, you earn money and the more you earn the more you have where as communism is basically like everybody gets the same, not exactly the same but pretty much that way! So if communism sounds like a good idea, then why the hell isnt every1 communist? Well basically the way i see it is that nearly every government on the planet is gone capitalist. Most politicians are very rich people so why the hell would they give up being more powerful than you? Im not against capitalism at all, but im not against communism either! Capitalism can be good and bad just like communism, for example, Capitalism and Music should never have met, but still the big 5 Labels pay radio stations to only play the copyrighted material they bought and dump the rest! Thats severely bad because its like a bunch of guys putting a choke chain around every musicial artists throat in the world and giving it a good pull. Communism on the other hand, may seem like a good idea BUT, would it ever really work? There are a LOT of people out there, could we all just take pretty much the same? I dunno, You decide
Yes this is apparent! But is it TRUE? think about it? who would tell the world that it doesnt work in practice? probably governments right? well, look at most governments, like maybe the U.S. Government, they seem very Capitalist to me lmao! Communism would make them sick! very sick lol so they would and could lie to stop it from ever becoming reality! The power of the vote rules the world man!
Nobody has to be told, it's a visible fact that communism doesn't work on a large scale. Since China realized that by incorporating certain capitalististic practices they've had immense economic benefits from it. Russia simply crumbled from the inside, it could no longer sustain itself and North Korea is a country that has nuclear technology yet most of it's population lives in poverty - that's communism in practice. Exactly, Praetor. That's why no system of government will ever come close to living up to it's true potential - the human factor will always prevent that.
Aii, the greed in this world is horrible. The bad points of Capitalism emerges, wars are starting over money :S
I think the reason communism fails is that it provides no incentives or rewards for the people in the system. No matter how hard you work, you come home at night to your goverment issued flat, the same as the person that does half the work that you do. There is no reason to work harder or better yourself since there is no reward for doing so. Innovation and efficiency are also lost since there is no incentive to improve.
Capitalism is a social system based on the recognition of individual rights, including property rights, in which all property is privately owned. Socialism is the economical consequence, and a subset, of statism. Statism is "any system that concentrates power in the state at the expense of individual freedom". Socialism is a form of statism which advocates collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods. Capitalism is the only system which does not deprive the individual of his rights, therefore from a Human Rights basis, capitolism is the only form that will work. In theory, communism has some excellent benefits that in practice are never realised. Capitalism is often accused of creating a lot of disparity between social classes, causing more poverty. But is this a valid concern ? The socialist solution to poverty is a short-term solution, in the sense that social programs do not bring lasting value to the individual. Instead, the capitalist system of no redistribution of resources does not help poverty in short term but by making social conditions improve by progress (more jobs, wealth), it helps to eradicate poverty much more efficiently. The long term answer to poverty is creating jobs and a better standard of life thru technology. On the other hand, socialism stops progress, which means that social conditions cannot improve.
The fact capitalism promotes greed is the best thing about it, after all what do firms strive for? profits. When a firm makes a profit it means it has provided a good or service to a customer, who has rewarded it with a profit. This is what makes capitalism the only viable system, to paraphrase Adam Smith, people acting in their own self interest leads to the best outcome for us all. It has also been said that capitalism is inevitable, Murray Rothbard made this argument - capitalism is voluntary activity in society, characterised by trade. Capitalism is freedom - the freedom to do what you want, trade with who you want, work for, with who you want. Ny other system leads to tyranny and must be enforced by violence.
I'm kind of standing in the middle really, because each has its good and bad points, capitalism is by far the best choice when it comes to motivating people I guess! I dunno, tis one that will last forever! lol
When I think of Communism, the thing that stands out most in my mind when I remember the travel I did in China was the restrictions on everyday things that I take for granted. For example, since I was a foreigner I was pretty much able to travel about freely. A Chinese citizen had travel restrictions. They had an internal passport system so if you lived in one area you might not be allowed to travel to another area. Imagine living in Dublin and not being allowed to travel to Cork, living in New York and not being allowed to travel to California. The restrictions on freedom of speech, religion, Internet usage, or even the number of children you are allowed to have are things that would never be tolerated in a free society.
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Somebody said it much better than I can repeat here: a society is not judged by how the vote empowers the majority but by how it treats and respects its minorities. The very definition of a minority (political, ethnic, social, etc) can be construed in such a way that a society can feel relatively good about ignoring it. Communism has a dismal record when it comes to treating its minorities. Capitalism has set up some rules by which it wants to treat it minorities and generally has a better record than communism in this regard. Nevertheless, within Capitalism and so-called democratic systems, there remain many interpretations of fairness towards minorities. The understanding of this subject - although fascinating - will never lead to a consensus among people. Even within the confines of a single household there is going to be disagreement. Good luck, Dela, Praetor, Nephilim, with this one...
Communism looks good on paper, but of course has a bad habit of being implemented after bloody revolutions (against capitalistic or autocratic gov's)by not so nice people who tend to continue the "revolution" for years. Capitalism offers the chance for wealth, but in its purest form leads to a concentration of wealth & power in the hands of a few uber-fatcats. Thus creating the possibility of bloody revolution (a very BAD thing) much like my first point. So they both kinda suck... I say, regulate corporations, and not people: socialism-lite.
You are all very intelligent people, uve given my new things to think about in the question of capitalism or communism, thank you Keep it coming
