Here is a definitive guide to DVD Decrypter it was written in conjunction with LUK!! the developer of Decrypter and answers all questions on the program. http://forum.digital-digest.com/showthread.php?t=51575
sophocles, I didn't use DVDRemake as of yet, so no experience there. But if I have an ISO file that I want to redo with that program, I would just mount it on Daemon tools. It is an extra step but I am certain it would work. Plus it would give me a file where copy protection is removed and it would read faster then straight from cd (if file is not ripped already).
good find arnie! the fact is that both file mode and iso read mode do exactly the same it removes what protection's it can! the same protection's will be removed in both circumstances! (windows removes the copyprotections???wtf I think that is the opposite of microsoft's aim) if you do start messing w' the gears let's say then it is possible to ignore read errors use brute force or a host of other features that may get you the files on your harddrive!! you are correct 2old! the thing is it is highly reccomended that you don't you are degrigating your file and quite possibly just wasting your time! one thing shrink is very good at creating dvd compliant(windows has nothing to do w/ this!) files from crap files (which you are trying so hard to get) but can only do so much! and is not by design able to address such drastic degradation or the source!(you are playing w/ fire) nor is it able to handle the new protection schemes! the ppl @ the arcoss lab's are getting quite clever but despite all this we have progressed and not simply happy to get a piece of crap resembling a movie. (clever ha so far we have proved to be more so) in fact it is the trend that most of us will not even be happy w/ the result's of a transcoder anymore! (god bless you shrink you have got us through a lot) so the use of shrink to fix the damaged files you are getting,when it can, will surely not suit most! I still don't understand why you are taking steps backward when the chase is afoot for newer protection and newer means to circumvent it! do you work for macrovision?? why are you putting a seed bump in our way! as newb's surely become advanced members let's not waste their time w/ such fruitless &dated info to slow them down w/ ok now!
@arniebear, Many Thanks for the DVDD Guide, I guess this is the first time I have seen it.. From a short scan I see that LUK just meant for the ISO Mode to be a tool for a 1:1 copy of a disc and never intended for it to be a copy protection remover.. Surprise.. It will do that also.. With the File -> Open Disk Image in DVDShrink the ISO file can be somewhat edited and Shrunk. That is, to the limitations of Shrink with the copy protection removed and then written back to a disk using either the ISO or File Mode… Decrypter or Nero It really makes me do a lot of thinking about the boys of the ARccOS set… That is, beating their heads against the walls trying to come up with new protections that something as simple as ripping the Movie in the ISO mode with Decrypter can’t defeat… LOL LOL I really enjoy this… Sometimes I think Maybe I’m not as Old as I thought I was…….
if you are going to set ignore read errors do that but don't bring fire down when ppl are assuredly goint to try it! what if your disk is scratched?? do you know what kind of output you get from setting ignore read errors (crap) I assure you dvd shrink is no miracle worker and that is all that is saving you from spinning your wheels! are you saying that w/ these settings file mode is giving you I/O's while iso read mode copies flawlessly! what titles is this happening on?? more importantly the guide say's at the beggining that iso read does exactly the same thing as file mode except for storing it in a different format! that allows easy usage by any burning engine! 2old listen to old will, don't pee on the fence! there seems to be no other way to get through to you! I hope readers of this don't get hurt by the fence that your pee'ing on set decrypter to defaults!!
c'mon, i'm no expert, but surely there can't be any harm in removing the PUOs? i was mainly curious whether i should remove one or the other or both (VOB & IFO). also, i don't really know what it means to remove the IFO structure protection, so i was seeking advice on that. everything else i plan to leave on defaults. oh, also the book-type question... i noticed that nero changes the book-type to dvd-rom by default (if my memory serves). but i believe that DVDdecrypter leaves it as DVD+R DL (does anyone know what clonedvd2 does--i don't think i've ever taken notice). my dvd player doesn't seem to have a problem with either, but i would still like to have your opinions if you don't mind sharing. thanks for the user guide arniebear, i will definitely check that out.
so this is what i'm hearing, please correct me if i'm wrong. generally speaking, in ISO mode, i should remove IFO PUOs but leave the VOB PUOs (and i note that it's not really necessary to remove either). with respect to the book-type question, i'm hearing that dvd-rom is the more universally compatible book-type. are there any drawbacks to exclusively using the dvd-rom book-type? thanks again!
2oldGeek I understand the substance of the debate but file mode's flexibility was brought into play early on and it is now a part of this debate and I also believe that it is on topic. I'm certain that there are no differences in RCE protection removals in either file mode or ISO mode, and I therefore believe that your claim is invalid and unprovable. And trying to shoo others off with claims of inherent superior knowledge won't work either, but it will piss a few people off. Your claims that some archaic programing knowledge that you possess has somehow made you superior to the rest of us doesn't sit well with me and perhaps others as well. I'm not buying it without any kind of proof and neither will a lot of others. Like I said earlier in the thread, File mode or ISO mode same movie two different packages. Iso mode is nothing more than a container to facilitate a more compatible burning standard but inside the container are the same files you see in file mode. Do as I asked earlier, burn a disc and then open windows explorer and check the files in it and they'll be the same as those in file mode. In fact if you were to rip the backup that you made, you would be given the same choice of ripping it in file mode or ISO mode again. RCE protections have already been removed prior to the conversion to ISO mode just as they are in file mode, and the movie isn't one continuous 8 gig stream, it's the same files in a wrapper. All AnyDVD does is provide more frequent updates. It catches new changes in protections at the Windows Shell level and removes them before Decrypter has a chance to read them. I realize that there are some who don't want to use AnyDVD and for that they'll have to update Decrypter on their own. I prefer AnyDVD because I have enough on my plate already and it is usually the first to make new copy protections available. Since a purchase of AnyDVD also includes lifetime updates, it's worth it to me.
I'll have to agree with Sophocles here. ISO and Files are the same data in different packages or in the case of Files, no package. I've done a lot of movies using both methods. With some software and sometimes editing, Files are more preferrable. With some freeware apps, burning is only done in ISO. Shrink is handy there, it can convert to ISO for burning while using files for the transcoding. Rebuilder Pro can build ISOs after handling the files in File mode. So, you can take the data and build an ISO or vice versa. An interesting item is that you can use an archive tool that supports the ISO format to open a movie that is in an ISO packet. WinRAR will handle the task. Once opened, guess what, Audio_TS and Video_TS with all the separate VOB, BUP, and IFO files. Simply using Windows to open a DVD recorded in ISO reveals the same thing as Sophocles pointed out. As for decryption, Sophocles nailed that one as well. It's there in ISO as in File mode as the files are in reality the same. Otherwise you'd best bet your boots the guys at Sony aren't foolish enough to target a single file mode if another could be used to circumvent encryption. They may make blunders, but they wouldn't keep making the same one. I suspect those guys know more about programming than most of us do or will. So, put the use of ISO or File down to a matter of personal preference or particular applications. h8flp21 Put simply, booktyping is a matter of compatibility. The process writes on a DVD +R or +R DL with files that mimic the files of a DVD ROM. DVD ROM is the universal standard for DVD players, so ideally, anything in ROM format is readable. However, there are not many DVD players left that won't play multiple formats. Another item of interest is that not all burner drives booktype. Armed with that knowledge, you should be able to make your own decision about making your discs more compatible with booktyping or if the +R and -R are already compatible enough. Beware of hacked firmware for burners (which can sometimes add booktyping ability), sometimes it works and sometimes the drive is damaged beyond repair. I'm not saying don't use it, just be very sure if you do. Even a faulty OEM flash can kill a drive. I know of no app that sets booktype by default. (Possibly a matter of semantics on that one.) Once set by a program, then the burner will use DVD ROM as the book type for +R and/or +R DL. I noticed one of the Sony drives would booktype +R DL automatically, but the +R still had to be set manually. So it can be incorporated into some drives firmware. As for AnyDVD, I use it all the time. In fact I started using it before support was dropped for DVD Decrypter. It was and is updated faster. DVDD is still very good for ripping to the HDD, so I use them together, but DVDD isn't breaking any encryption. You can note that by the log. Two great apps, but for decryption, DVD Decrypter is getting more obsolete as time passes. That's the problem with Shrink as well. With AnyDVD, a person can use Shrink as it was used before if they don't want to rip files to the HDD, and not have problems with encryption. A lot of movies don't have the newer encryption, so using DVD Decrypter will work. But try one of the newer Sony releases with the new encryption and Decrypter starts giving errors or stops depending on the settings. I know 2oldGeek was trying to be helpful, but much of what he was saying was misleading; especially for newbies that have a problem filtering info about the DVD backup process.
I dunno why you would think that reading Stealth uk release or any numerous sony dadc protected films in using iso mode would bypass the protection as it does not, fact is dvddecrypter will stall at the first set of protected sectors, and drop the reading rate down to zero, fair enough if you have 8 hours or more and can stand putting strain on your dvd readers mechanism, laser, etc, to complete the task with hundreds of read errors, simply stating that by altering dvddecrypters settings to ignore these read errors, make no diff, it will just not present you with "do you wish to cancel etc" and telling people to alter the settings in dvddecrypter was one of the authors/beta testers pet hates. Saying as they are set that way for a specific purpose ie a good rip/burn etc. By all means if you want to waste your time, then try this persons method, but try it with stealth,madagascar,brown bunny, marksman, and all latest proteced dvd,s. Then comment. In other words, don't bother wasting your time, look at another method, one that works for example, create your own psl2 file to ignore/dummyfill the bits that decrypter knows it cannot read, then process it in shrink.
Or instead of creating psl2 files with DVD Decrypter for the individual DVDs, do it the easy way with AnyDVD. Then all you have to do is make sure your software is up to date.
Well , thank you all for abit spirited but informational thread! I think I just got two years of information in 20 minutes of reading and a whole lotta of hours of trials . Thats why I love AD. Many hours of reading and trying and getting some quick explanations to expand on.THANK YOU ALL SOOOOO MUCH! Chris
I tried the method out with Flightplan, which AnyDVD has identified as having Ripguard. I used DVD Decrypter sans AnyDVD and ripped in ISO mode, at the bad sector which is VTS_03 the read rate went down to 0 and Decrypter stated it was extracting bad sectors inserting dummy sectors and then the read rate went up again and it made it through the whole movie, at default settings. However, when I burned the file doing movie only it would not play at all my players could not make beyond the 7 second blank delay at the beginning of the movie, no matter how many times I put it in/out, stopped it or pressed play. Then I ran the whole file through Shrink and got Shrink has encountered an error, yada, yada. DVD Decrypter is still a great little program, but needs help from other programs. It no longer can do it on its own, with the new protections, which the movie studios are just going to move around in the structure. Time to move on and use what is current. Just my two cents.
@arniebear, They are either getting better at putting on the copyright crap or quality control is not catching the Bad Pressings. LOL I just ripped Flightplan last night and had no problem with DVDD in the ISO mode although it was a bit slow, about 4.5 to 5x maximum on the rip.. Used Shrink to get the Movie Only cause it’s a bit larger than I like when shriking.. I turned around and ripped it again with AnyDVD/Shrink/Nero.. Worked like a charm and took about 1/4th the total time… Also did The Fog which has more protections on it.. Had no luck with Decrypter alone like you said read rate dropped to 0 so I just settled for Any/Shrink/Nero and worked like a charm.. I don’t understand why some are having trouble and others are not, on the same movies.. I use to lay it off on a Bad Pressing but I am going to scratch my head a little more before coming to a conclusion… LOL Have you done The Fog yet? When you do let me know how it goes please.. Happy Burning….
I am not into the intricracies and technicalies of ISO and VOB files etc. but there is a simple way to copy newer Across and Ripguard disks that do not rely on programs such as AnyDvD, DVD43, DVD Fab Decrypter, Vob Blanker, PGEdit etc. All that is required is DVD Decrypter, DVD Shrink (and Nero for burning) - thats right folks DVD Decrypter and DVD Shrink aint dead yet and news of their demise is somewhat premature. Method to burn movies such as Stealth and Madagascar etc. 1. Open DVD Decrypter - use ISO Read mode to copy disk to hard drive. 2. Open Shrink - go to Open Disk Image and select the ISO file that Decrypter has created 3. Use Re-author mode in DVD Shrink to analyse and encode movie 4. Use Nero to burn. Easy - no problems and bypasses all protections - no blank cells and no need for additional software or other programs running in background.
Not a chance mate, unless, (A) your copying a copy of the movie wherby someone has kindly removed the protection using psl2 file etc) (B)Your using originals that have no copy protection on whatsoever, thats not likely, (C) your using drugs and are just plain seeing things. (D) your post is nothing more than an attempt to get a rise. Also previous posters, ANYDVD and all the other programs cost money, decrypter,shrink,plugins for psl2 files are FREE. anyone that claims to be ripping these new titles,no matter what settings you use in decrypter, unless decrypter has info to tell it which sectors to ignore etc, like some older sony columbia tristar titles (ie it use built in detection to generate psl file) or a,b,c,d there is something wrong with the way your brain is perceiving reality. edit for typo, though probs still loads in here
ascii, Whatever... I second colw's method because it works for me too. Matter of fact that method never ever failed me as of yet, doesn't matter of release. Although lately I'm using Recode instead of Shrink. Also some movies I just burn straight from the ISO file with ImgBurn to a dl disk.
I might not have been as blunt as ascii (sure, lol). However, the encrypted movies with the newer ARccOS and Ripguard are not going to miraculously work because someone decided to put the files in an ISO folder and process it through Re-author in Shrink. The decryption software just simply was not programed for it. Shrink in the instructions on the old site, said to use DVD Decrypter for more difficult encryptions and DVD Decrypter lost support well after Shrink. DVDD won't do those movies without psl2 files for direction. So, unless someone got lucky and edited out the segment with the encryption, [bold]there's no way[/bold]. Even 2oldGeek, who is a proponent of the method, noted that it wouldn't work with a heavily encrypted DVD like "Fog".
