Disk made on video recorder shows empty on PC.

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  1. shilliard

    shilliard Member

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    My PC (Windows Explorer) does not see any files on my DVD. The DVD contains a TV program that I recorded and finalized with my Pioneer 320 DVR in VR mode onto a Maxwell DVD-RW 4.7BM disk.

    The drive in the PC is a Pioneer brand DVR.

    My goal is to make a copy onto a DVD-R disk. Why can't the PC see the VR files that the recorder burned?

    Advice will be appreciated.
    Stan Hilliard
     
    Last edited: Jun 21, 2006
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    binkie7 Moderator Staff Member

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    Hi shilliard
    What brand of discs are you using?
    Is your drive's firmware up to date?

    Here's a program to try and see if can get the files off the disc for you:
    http://www.isobuster.com/
     
  3. shilliard

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    The disc is a Maxwell DVD-RW 4.7BM.

    I changed computers to my XP laptop that has a Pioneer DVR-04S with recently updated firmware. (The earlier PC had Win98SE.)

    I can now see with Windows Explorer two files:
    VR_MANGR.IFO
    VR_MOVIE.VRO
    Windows Media Player only sees VR_MANGR.IFO. When I load it the WMP message bar says "playing", the stop button is active, and the play button is inactive. but has a blank screen and no sound.

    A Windows message screen contained this:
    The FILEtxt link contained the following information:
    I know that the files themselves are OK because I can play the disc on my stand-alone DVR.

    What can I do to get the video to play on my computer?
     
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    binkie7 Moderator Staff Member

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    hmmm I haven't run across this file type so let me see if I can get someone to help you out.
     
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    Thanks, I was able to copy VR_MOVIE.VRO from DVD to hard drive and read it with Windows Media Player after renaming it to an .mpg.

    The original DVD media was -RW. I would like to copy the mpg file back to a read-once -R disc. Is that possible? When I try [file] [Write these files to CD] the XP Home Edition gives the message that there is no CD in the drive! It has the same result trying to copy to -R and -RW.

    How can I copy the .mpg file back to a DVD?
    Stan Hiliard
     
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    If you want it to be able to play on a DVD player then you will have to reauthor it. Ulead Video Studio, Nero Vision, and Womble MPEG Video Wizard (DVD) are good tools for this.
     
  8. shilliard

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    My CD/DVD reader/burner came with a NERO OEM SUITE disc with NeroVision Express 3 and Nero Express 6.

    Q1: Does that do authoring and burning that I need?

    Q2: Would I gain much by buying the retail? If I buy the retail which version should I get for compatibility?

    My configurations are:
    Desktop: Win98SE, Pioneer DVR 110D, NEC ND 3550 16X DVR
    Laptop: WinXP, Pioneer DVR-04S

    TV/Video Player/Recorder: Pioneer 320 DVR
     
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    I installed isobuster as you suggested and it sees my file on the DVD.
    VR_MANGR.IFO
    VR_MOVIE.VRO

    I want to extract them to hard drive for burning a copy back to another DVD disc.

    If I right-click on the top icon in the left pane (DVD-RW), it offers:
    Extract DVD-RW <content>
    Extract DVD-RW <image>
    Among other things. My question is, how do I determine which extraction option to use?

    Advice will be appreciated,
    Stan Hilliard
     
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    binkie7 Moderator Staff Member

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    @shilliard
    Did you try taking those files that you changed to .mpg and see if you could convert them using nero vision? May or may not work.
    Give it a shot though.

    For isobuster - try the image/iso option.
     
  12. shilliard

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    I have not been successful so far. How could I do better?

    1) Nero finds the .mpg on the hard drive not compatible for burning to disc.

    2) An originally blank DVD-RW was recorded and finalized on my Pioneer 320S, One hour in SP mode. I actually had a second 1/2 hour recording but erased it before finalizing. isobuster finds two files on the DVD in the hierarchy:

    ====== folder hierachy
    DVD-RW
    Session 1
    Track 01
    (UDF) $ Pioneer DVR-04S Basis Volume $
    DVD-RTAV
    VR_MANGR.IFO and VR_MOVIE.VR0
    ====== end of folder hierachy

    I tried to extract the VR_MANGR.IFO AND VR_MOVIE.VRO, but isobuster responded with "For this functionality you need to register."

    Question -- If I buy a license key, will the program extract them in a format that Nero can burn to a blank DVD?

    I selected isobuster's "extract <image>} by right-clicking on the leftmost icon, and it created these files (4.38GB) on the hard drive:
    DVD-RW.cue
    DVD-RW.tao
    DVD-RW.tao01
    DVD-RW.tao02
    DVD-RW.tao03
    DVD-RW.tao04

    Here is the isobuster Cue file:
    =============== Cue file
    FILE "DVD-RW.tao" BINARY

    REM ORIGINAL MEDIA-TYPE: DVD-RW

    REM SESSION 01 ; Not supported by other applications (*)
    TRACK 01 MODE1/2048
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
    REM MSF: 00:00:00 = LBA: 0

    REM (*) SESSION directives are unfortunately not properly supported
    REM 'out there'. IsoBuster however supports them !
    =============== end of cue file

    3) With Nero 6.6.0.18, "No compatible file found."
    Nero is looking for ubp, vob, ifo.

    Question -- What is the best way (or ways) for me to proceed?

    Advice will be appreciated,
    Stan Hilliard
     
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    binkie7 Moderator Staff Member

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    @shilliard
    I'm not the best at this one but I give it another shot. Try Express in Nero. Use the 'disc image or saved project' option.
    See if the .cue file shows up here. If it does open and click.
    You can also pick 'image files' under file type to narrow down the selection.

    On the paying to get the other option - I don't think that would put in a convertable format but I could be very wrong. You may want to check isobuster's website and see if you can find a better answer.
    This may help a bit:
    http://www.isobuster.com/tips.php?tips_page=1
     
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    Neglect this, just testing my understanding of UBB code.

    Discussion
     
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    OK, that didn't work. I hope the long URL here wraps correctly.

    I have searched google for information on how to use the PC to make video mode discs from VR mode DVD-RWs recorded on my Pioneer 320S video recorder. I share these links that I find useful. I have not obtained software yet, but I am wondering if anyone has any comments.

    Discussion:
    http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache...ode&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=4&client=firefox-a

    Discussion:
    http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101191

    Software:
    http://www.mediostream.com/products/index_neodvd.html

    Software FAQ:
    http://www.mediostream.com/support/qa5_neodvd.html

    Another software:
    http://www.videohelp.com/tools?tool=TMPGEnc_DVD_Author
     
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    found this

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    VRO files are written as part of the DVD-VR format. It is a newish format that is found mainly on DVD-RAM disks, though can also be written to DVD-R. A lot of DVD camcorders use it, as well as some DVD recorders and USB TV tuners.

    Here's one free utility that can open & convert them:
    http://www.alfanet.it/squared5/mpegstreamclip.html
     
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    Your recorder is capable of recording in another mode. Use it and you can go directly to pc with your recording.
     
  18. shilliard

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    I have installed MPEGStreamclip on my XP laptop. It can see my finalized DVD-RW disc containing

    .Sys-Reserved-RW-Bitmap.GROW
    DVD_RTAV\VRMANGR.IFO
    DVD_RTAV\VRMOVIE.VRO

    I open DVD_RTAV\VRMOVIE.VRO and can play the movie.

    The user manual assumes more knowledge than I have. How should I convert the format to make the most compatible DVD Video format for DVD players?

    What should I do next interms of [Convert to] and [Export to]?

    Media: I have a supply of blank DVD-R disks. Are they appropriate?

    To split the stream in half and make two 1/2 hour sections, do I need to use an authoring tool?

    Here are the properties of VR_MOVIE.VRO:
    [File][Show Stream Info:]
    Stream: VR_MOVIE.VRO
    Type: MPEG program stream
    Duration: 0:59:41
    Data Size: 1.04GB
    Bit Rate: 250 Mbps
    Video Tracks:
    224 MPEG-2, 352x480,4:3, 29.96999...fps, 9.50Mbps, upper field first
    Audio Tracks:
    128 AC3 2/0, 48khz, 256kbps
    Stream Files:
    VR_MOVIE.VRO (1.04 GB)
     

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