Yes!! Disney goes political or should I say "Kisses ass for a little bit of money". You can read all about it here :- http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/05/n...400&partner=GOOGLE&pagewanted=print&position=
Michael Moore is a turd. Hopefully this piece of propaganda won't win an academy award for best "documentary" like the last piece of propagande did. Disney and Bush are turds too.
I must admit i like the fella, but i'm a brit, so that may explain things. I thought Bowling for columbine was an ace documentary. Is Michael Moore that unpopular in the states?
Wasn't a documentary at all. It was billed as one but, as someone who follows the firearms issue quite closely, I found it riddled with false numbers and intentional deception. All the segments of Charlton Heston in the movie were taken out of context and spliced together from several speeches he'd made in order to give an intentionally false impression of his motives and actions. A documentary presents facts whereas propaganda, by definition, uses falsehood and deception to lead others to a certain conclusion. Here's an interesting link: http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html The NRA gets endlessly smeared in the media and Moore just added to the misinformation out there. _X_X_X_X_X_[small] JMLS-166S/Plextor PX-708A/Plextor Premium[/small]
Nephilim, you are now my best friend. Finally, somebody in this country with some sense. My father and brother went to the NRA convention in Pittsburgh not to long ago, i couldn't cause of work They enjoyed it. Anyhow, don't you just love how they (the media) make gun organization, clubs, and guns in general seem like the whole evil in da world. Back on the topic, if you ran a giant company, like Disney, and you had the chance to save the company millions in taxes, and you end up getting a kickback from that, I think you too would try to preserve Bush's image, especially before an election.
mmmmm...interesting article that, much to think about and absorb. Thanks for the link. I must admit though I also very much enjoyed reading this aswell :- http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/wackoattacko/ Being a UK resident it is totally impossible for me to grasp your gun laws. But surely wouldnt it be safer, for all concerned, to limit & then potentially eliminate gun ownership in the states. Or am I just too plain naive & detached from the situation. I honestly don;t mean to offend anyone with my "views" _ _X_X_X_X_X_[small]2 cardboard boxes Cracked Windows 65 Rusty cranking handle for booting. 16 Pieces Of Absent Minded Memory. 16Mb Medium to Prostrate Storage Space. Nvidia Crapmax 12 (8 Colour!!) Graphics Card 36" Long Fish Tank (Including guppies) For Viewing.[/small]
No worries Brian What the media doesn't say and most people don't know is the amount of crime that is stopped because of armed citizens. We have stacks and stacks and stacks of gun laws here. But the very interesting thing to note is that, in this country, cities with the most restrictive gun laws tend to have more violent crime. Washington DC practically forbids any sort of gun ownership yet it has consistently been the murder capital of the country. In the state of Vermont any citizen can legally carry a concealed handgun whenever and wherever they want and guess what......lowest rate of violent crime in the country. This country has millions and millions of privately owned firearms so banning them and trying to collect them is an exercise in futility. Those who obey the law get to be the victims, criminals aren't going to turn them in. Here's an interesting link about the crime rates in Australia after they banned firearms: http://www.gunowners.org/hlr-au.htm There are many countries in Europe where restrictive gun laws may work reasonably well, but America is a whole different dynamic. I've read the link you gave before and still have problems with him. He rails against the expert on CNN for being a a contributing editor to a firearms magazine saying the man had a vested interest, yet later in the article Moore states that he's going to donate the money made from the melted down rifle to the Brady Foundation which is the most vehement anti gun group in the U.S. He's a hippocrite. When you ban guns you only take them from people that obey the laws in the first place. The punks get them no matter what the law says. Just pointing things out for pondering, not trying to tell you how to think
I have two things called morals and ethics which would prevent me from ever being at the head of a company like Disney I honestly wouldn't do anything to try to preserve Bush's image even if I was. Me no likey George. Me no likey Kerry either. _X_X_X_X_X_[small] JMLS-166S/Plextor PX-708A/Plextor Premium[/small]
Nephilim You make good points in your post. I am just thankful that we don't have similar gun laws in the UK. I guess the states is more conditioned in using and being around firearms. It certainly is a thorny & difficult issue that your nation faces in the future. In the UK we prefer to use the "boot in the groin" method for justice !!! Back to the topic in hand, Disney. I, personally, have to say shame on them big time. Their decision to block the release of "Farenheit 911" smacks of cowardice of the worst kind. To even be seen, to potentially, collapse in the face of Government pressure is quite deplorable and a sign of massive weakness. Shame on the the US government & the governor of Florida for, allegedly, pressurising Disney into this decision. Neither party come out with any credit at all. The best action that could have been taken is NOTHING! Their actions will help to publicise and HYPE this movie, thus increasing public awareness. It is exactly the situation that Michael Moore wants, he must surely be laughing all the way to the bank, again!! _X_X_X_X_X_[small]2 cardboard boxes Cracked Windows 65 Rusty cranking handle for booting. 16 Pieces Of Absent Minded Memory. 16Mb Medium to Prostrate Storage Space. Nvidia Crapmax 12 (8 Colour!!) Graphics Card 36" Long Fish Tank (Including guppies) For Viewing.[/small]
I remember reading that when Disney bought Miramax one of the things that was agreed upon was that Disney could not block distribution of their films unless it was a) over a 30 million budget or b) rated NC-17. Neither of these apply to this movie whether you agree with it's content or not. It will be interesting to see what happens.
I don't like Disney or Michael Moore so no matter who gets the smackdown in the end I'll be happy If Disney didn't want to deal with situations like this they never should have bought Miramax. Miramax is known for putting out movies that push the limits at times.
Disney claims they don't want to be seen as taking a political stance during an election year yet Disney owns WABC which produces the right wing conservative pro-Bush Rush Limbaugh show. They're obviously lying about their motives. Michael Moore makes a good point that all of the United States media/news outlets are owned by only 5 large corporations. When they start stifling dissenting viepoints and deciding what information the public is allowed to hear, based entirely on protecting their profits and the conservative war-mongers in the White House, then we have ceased living in a free and democratic society. If you live in the U.S. I strongly urge you to vote against Bush in 2004. And don't just take my word for it, look into it for yourself. Read about the Big Brother Patriot Act, read about the connections between the Bush family and the Bin Ladens, read about Bush's tax cuts which turned a multi-billon dollar budget surplus into a record deficit and gave 41% of that money to the top 1% of our wealthiest Americans. It's scary. If you have opposing viepoints, that's totally cool. I'm not out to make anyone mad and I respect all opinions. I just want people to know the truth and sometimes that's a hard pill to swallow.
I think a reasonable question should be : What was Disney thinking? Did they assume he would not do a controversial movie before investing money? And Disney is no stranger to controversial films, hell miramax distributed KIll BILL, and the movie "Kids". It also owns ABC radio(and television), the which broadcasts radio deushbag Sean Hannity's show. I am a Moore fan, and i'll see Fahrenheit 911, but i'll make sure to scrutinize what i see, i'd be a poor lefty if i didn’t.
