DVD Authoring Help Needed...WMV to DVD-R???

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  1. sandman42

    sandman42 Regular member

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    Hi I have a bunch of Wrestling matches that are mostly .Wmv or .Avi's...


    I tried to use ConverXtoDVD but I got a write error and I got a coaster out of it...Can someone please tell me how I could put these on a DVD-R??


    PLEASE...I know I have asked a lot of questions, but I really appreciate any help on DVD Authoring because to me it is SO HARD...TMPGEnc intimidates me, but I have used it with success in the past, but I had sound off and Syncing Problems even some skipping...


    I tried to encode all of the videos and then slap them on a DVD-R, and it came out pretty good but a couple matches had the sound off which is annoying especially on a Made DVD..


    Please HELP
     
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    sandman42 Regular member

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    Well...

    I WAS also wondering something else...


    I have all my Video Sized at: 320x240 and I was wondering would that work on a TV... or will it be really small...


    I set the Audio bitrate to 128kbps a lot of these videos have a Mixture of sound so will the sound be off on some of these videos or not??

    they vary from 32 kbps all the way up to 64 kbps...Is this a Problem that I set the Audio Bitrate at 128kbps?

     
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    Please Respond
     
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    Well, first off it is important to know what you have to work with...for this, I'd suggest G-SPOT( which can be downloaded from this site ala cart or found within the tool set "K-lite Codec Pack" also available from here. This program or Premiere Pro "get properties" will work for finding out some very important specs on your raw video/audio material. Such as Video: type, framesize, aspect ratio, framerate. Audio: type, bitrate, VBR or CBR.

    Tmpgenc Plus 2.5 is a must have, I still feel CCE SP produces a higher quality video in less time, but since it basically only supports .avi in it's stand alone mod...Tmpgenc offers many more tools..in a kinder user interface.

    I've never used ConvertXtoDVD so I couldn't help you there, for me, most of my DVD authoring tools...require the Middle Step of an Mpeg Encoder. I would recommend first solving the a/v sync issue...the cause I've usually found of my a/v sync problems is VBR(veriable Bitrate) .mp3 audio muxed in .avi. This sync problem is usually easily fixed by the following workflow:(1)Demux audio/video with VirtualDub into seperate audio/video streams. TMPGenc also supports .asf video so it comes in handy converting .asf or .wmv to .mpg which can then be demuxed using TMPGenc Mpeg Tool into seperate mpa(mpeg audio) & .mpv(mpeg video) sometimes you will see the file ext listed as .m2a and .m2v <--same thing just different name.(2)If the audio is .mp3 Re-Encode the audio stream to CBR .wav (PCM) or .mp2<--- this usually solves most sync problems.

    FrameSize: to be DVD complient the framesize will need to be re-encoded to NTSC or PAL standard..which is 720x480 & 720x576. Keep in mind audio bitrates for Dolby Quality Stereo begin at 228 kbps for 2/0 2-channel to 448 kbps for 5.1 surround...and DTS at 700 kbps and up.
     
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    I have G-Spot...


    I use IMTOO Mpeg Converter and Sometimes I notice that the videos Convert from .wmv to .mpeg very easy without problems...


    But I can't quite understand why sometimes when I convert movies I change the Audio Bitrate from 256 kbps to 96 kbps and I usually change the video frame from 25 fps to 29.97 fps...


    You someone please tell me how I can convert ALL My wmv's to Mpegs with no Sound Problems???

    The sound is off on 2 out of 10 Videos I convert...I tried using VirtualDub 1.6 to change the Intervals for the sound and make it sync but I keep changing the Intervels and it doesn't seem like it is doing anything...

    PLEASE HELP
     
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    I usually change the videosize from... 320x240 to 352x240

    Here is the settings under ImTOO Mpeg Encoder

    ::VIDEO::

    Standard: Auto
    Video Size: 352x240
    Bit Rate: 1600
    Frame Rate: 29397

    ::AUDIO::

    Audio Codec: mp2
    Bit Rate: 96 kbps
    Sample Rate: 44100
    Channels: 2 (Stereo)
    Disable Audio: False




    That is the settings I used what is wrong?? Please help

     
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    First off, It's important to have a clear understanding of what you are trying to encode to. If you're converting the .wmv to a DivX(mpeg-4) then that video size of 352x240 will work...DVD is another matter the framesize needs to be 720x480 for US(NTSC) or 720x576(PAL)Europe. A framerate of 25fps is PAL, and NTSC is 23.976(with pulldown) or 29.976. I'll assume your numbers above for framerate is a typo..otherwise you really do have big problems. A bit rate of only
    96 kbps isn't going to cut it for DVD. IS that the source bit rate?

    A sample rate of 44100Hz<---- suggests DTS to me...but you only have 2 channels instead of 6! IF, you had a sample rate of 48000 that would be Dolby(AC3)...

    Are you in Europe or US? If your video source is 25fps(framerate) you might be converting a PAL video to NTSC(29.976 fps) But, then you would also need to time stretch/pitch correct your Audio to match. No, I have no idea WHY you would take a 256 bitrate(which is a standard Dolby 2 channel bitrate) audio and molest it down to 96 kbps!
     
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    Well what I kept doing was making them Mpeg's and changing the Frame Size to 352x240...96kbps...


    Is that bad?? is that why my sound has been off on some of them?


    I am trying to fit a bunch of wmv videos to a DVD with Great Quality...

    I did the 352x240 and I looked at it on my TV and it looked Out of Proportion it looked bigger then it should have been.

    So is that my problem?? What would u recommend?
     
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    Ok, if you have a source video at 25fps(that is native PAL or atleast was or has been converted to 25fps for playing PAL, ARE you in U.S. or somewhere where you need PAl framerate? When you start converting framerates..you will need to time stretch adjust you audio to match...you can use BeSweet to do that or Adobe Audition or some other audio tool to do that. Why you would be changing the audio bitrate from 256kps to 96kbps I don't know...looks like you where just clicking too many buttons.

    I'd suggest using Tmpeg Encoder...it has a very nice Project Wizard that should guide you thru the encoding step and create a nice mpeg-2(dvd complient) video.
     
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    Well I live in the USA and I want to use NTSC format...


    I want to take a bunch of Wmv Wrestling Matches and put them on my own personal DVD like make my own compilation DVD...


    Most of the sound on the Wmv Matches is 256-465kbps...I was told to fit more matches on a DVD make the wmv's into mpeg-1 with IMToo Mpeg Encoder...I make the Region 29.97, Frame Size 352x240, Audio bitrate to 96kbsp...That's it Most of the videos have the sound dead on but some are off which I used TMPGEnc to encode some of the videos with the same settings I used above...352x240, 96kbps, etc.

    I have a 13 inch tv I watch DVD's on...

    Please give me info on the matter...Thanks
     
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    Actually the bitrate is Random...


    A lot of my wmv's are 64kbps for Sound...

    So what is the proper modifications?
     
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    ConvertX is your best shot. Set it to NTSC and try again, you could probably add about 3-4 hrs. worth for viewing on a 13 in. TV. But just convert to Vid files, don't use it to burn and see if it completes and works properly first. Find the VIDEO_TS.IFO file in the VIDEO_TS folder and double click it. It should open your player and play it. All this stuff you are trying to change is un-needed.
     
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    Sandman, you should check out this thread:

    http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/283364

    You're wanting to use SIF framesize in a DVD, not all DVD authoring programs will support the half D1, SIF, SAT, etc framesizes. And more, importantly not ALL DVD players will play these non-standard framesizes. Yes, if you use low resolution the picture quality will remain the same, and yes, if you use DVD_Lab_Pro you can use a framesize of 352x240, but also be warned when you check NTSC DVD in the Encoder window then select 352x240 as your SOURCE framesize...many encoders will "pad" your video adding Black Pixels around your 352x240 to make up the 720x480 standard framesize...and that will defeat your orginal attempt of saving filesize and space on the dvd. As for what bitrate to "convert" your audio, if it is VBR as the forum mod advised...a VBR bitrate is an AVERAGE...when you convert to CBR(for quality & A/V sync consistancy) never REDUCE the Bitrate you'll be chocking the audio in the complicated sequences(frames that have Dialog+sound FX+music) if you have audio software which displays the max gain of a VBR( the highest rate of the VBR) then that's the number you should use for your CBR setting, if you're just "guessing" i'd go with VBR+(.5xVBR) and then pick the closest default setting(like 256..etc)
     
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    Not true. 352x240 is a perfectly standards compliant NTSC resolution.
    DTS and AC3 both encode to 48,000Hz. 44,100Hz isn't DVD legal at all and suggests a source that's either VCD or SVCD.
    An easier way is to use DGPulldown. It can add pulldown flags for playing back PAL on an NTSC player/tv. That way you don't have to change the audio.
     
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    Well, hell. Had a long rebutal written...and I'm sober tonight..but lost it..and don't feel like re-writing it You can't fight city hall I guess... 352x240 is not STANDARD DVD size..it's Standard SVCD...if it was standard DVD all encoders & authoring software would offer it. All players would play them. I wouldn't have needed to replace/upgrade DVD player. I wouldn't get warnings from DVDLabPro that what I'm making "might not play in all stand alone Players"...

    I started to argue on the 44,100 Hz issue...but then rechecked my DTS files....YOU'RE RIGHT! my final DTS files are 48,000 hz. The Minnatonka DTS encoder asks for 6 mono .wav's
    files sampled at 44,100 hz and then produces a 48,000 hz DTS file. So I humbly conceed...I was Mistaken....and Bow to you...thanks for the correction.

    On the issue of DGPulldown....since it's next to impossible to time stretch/pitch correct a 5.1 audio file(without a ReMastering Studio) and if a person had a PAL with such audio they didn't want to ruin..I'd go with the DGPulldown...but I still don't like it.it's a cheat! and sometimes gives you a glitch.
     
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    Sorry if I came off a little terse but I post a lot from work and I'm usually in a hurry.
    It's true that there are a few players that won't play it, but that's not because it's not part of the DVD standard. It's because those players don't support the standard correctly. Supporting 352x240 MPEG-1 and 352x240, 352x480, 704x480, and 720x480 are all requirements for the DVD-Video logo on the player, and I've only seen one DVD player that didn't implement this properly.
    The point I was making was that DGPulldown doesn't change the playback speed. It just duplicates fields to display at 29.97fps the same way the pulldown flags in 23.976fps video make it display at that framerate. If you do it this way you don't have to time stretch the audio. This method only works with 25fps progressive, but it's much easier than time stretching (and cheaper than paying $50 for Goldwave).

    Edit: mpeg.org has a good breakdown of what's in the DVD standard regarding video.
     
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    But I like this one better:
    A beginner's Guide for Mpeg-2:

    http://www.fh-friedberg.de/fachbere.../zinke/mk/mpeg2beg/beginnzi.htm#Picture Types

    Agree or disagree: DVD standard is MPEG-2 not MPEG-1?
    Agree or disagree: SIF 352x240 is MPEG-1 (as noted in the info at mpeg.org

    quote from mpeg.org

    DVD adds many additional restrictions to the popular compliance parameter sets of MPEG. One good example is the restriction on the coded size of a picture: MPEG-2 Main Profile @ Main Level

    cross refrence the Main Profile @ Main Level with table provided from
    A Beginners Guide for Mpeg-2:

    MPEG-2 Levels
    Level
    Max. Sampling
    dimensions fps
    Pixels/sec
    Max. bitrate
    Signficance

    Low
    352 x 240 x 30
    3.05 M
    4 Mb/s
    CIF, consumer tape equiv.
    Main
    720 x 480 x 30
    10.40 M
    15 Mb/s
    CCIR 601, studio TV

    High 1440
    1440 x 1152 x 30
    47.00 M
    60 Mb/s
    4x 601, consumer HDTV
    High
    1920 x 1080 x 30
    62.70 M
    80 Mb/s
    production SMPTE 240 std

    The techno data for what the Main Profile is is also provided...At Main Profile @ Main Level...is the DVD Standard (mpeg-2 720x480 NTSC Full D1) All the other levels..like low resolution and even HD are at High Level @ Main + and Next (generation)

    a important quote from: Beginners guide to Mpeg-2:

    Scalable video is only available on Main+ and Next profile. Currently there are four scalable modes in the MPEG-2 toolkit. These modes break MPEG-2 video into different layers.

    This is where support for the Low Resolution & HD fits in, Time has passed I see that most of today's DVD players also support playing Divx & Xvid...but those are Mpeg-4 standards....perhaps the standards have changed now for DVD...but I own several dvd players that won't play a mpeg-1 sif 320x240 Maybe I'm outdated!



     
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    Distagree. The DVD standard clearly specifies using MPEG-1 @ 352x240 only.
    Disagree - and mpeg.org doesn't say you can't encode MPEG-2 @352x240. As a matter of fact I've done it myself without having problems with standalone DVD player compliance (with the exception of 1 player - an older one).

    First off, you're reprinting a whole bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with what we're talking about. The page I linked to has a chart that's very clear about what resolutions are part of DVD specs:
    T
    I don't recall saying anything about 320x240. I said 352x240. It has nothing to do with being outdated. It's about being informed and not passing on false information. You clearly don't know what's included in the standard. Every reputable source agrees with me. Feel free to post one that doesn't, but for the record here are a couple that do.:

    mpeg.org
    Videohelp

    Additionally, I originally got my information from someone who has access to the actual DVD specs.
     
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    To be Perfectly Honest with Everyone...


    I am WAY Confused...I don't understand a lot of what people are saying...All I am wondering is how can I make it so I could make my multiple WMV's Wrestling Matches...Onto a DVD-R with No Loss IN Quality of Picture/Sound and so That I can view them on my 13 inch TV or 24 inch TV??

    Please Explain...So Far TMPGEnc has been working bettet since the updates...
     

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