dvd burner

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  1. roxyholly

    roxyholly Member

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    hi i have a lite-on dvdrw and i don't know how to check the speed so i can set my burner setting right.. i use imation dvd+r 16x dvds.. cause some of my dvds burn werid and stop at parts of the movie. what setting sould i burn with? and how do i know the speed of my dvd burner
     
  2. nasayin

    nasayin Regular member

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    I don't know if imation are any good quality but you should burn at 4x. If you are still having problem, update your lite-on firmware and get good quality dvds such as Verbatims and Taiyo Yudens.
     
  3. larrylje

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    Imation DVD+R disc are crap. When I first started backing up DVD's years ago I started off using Imation and had the same results as you. When reading other threads other member's where saying it was due to the quality of the media. Of course at first I didn't listen and thought it was something else I was doing wrong.

    Finally I got tired of the headaches trying to figure it out and bought some Taiyo Yuden DVD-R that where suggested and have not had a problem since. So no more (Imation/Memorsux/ etc etc) crap media for me.

    So please take this advice and get better media (Taiyo Yuden/Verbatims/DVD's MIJ Made in Japan). You will save yourself time and frustration. Below is a link where I get my media from. They are quick at shipping the media out and I have yet had any trouble.

    http://supermediastore.com

    It is very hard to find quality media in local stores where I live so I just get them offline.

    As to the speed of disc...

    You want to burn at half the rated speed of the DVD media. Never go below 4x. So if they are rated 4x and 8x then burn the disc at 4x. If they are 16x then burn at 8x.

    To answer your question on how to check the speed the DVD burner is set at. We would need to know what program you use to burn the DVD media.

    Below is a guide on how you can find the quality of media you are using. You will need to know what the manufacture ID# is of the media. Below are 3 different ways you can find the Manufactures ID#. Once you find it go to the link below and find the ID# in the linked guide and see what class media it falls into. If it falls into Class2 or below then you need better media. Only use 1st Class media when working with video.


    Using nero info tool
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    Using IMGBurn
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    Using DVD Decrypter
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    As you can see the Manufatures ID# is TYGO2 which in the media guide is listed as 1st Class media.
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    DVD media guide ---> http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm

    So to conclued with all this. The main reason you are having the trouble with the video freezing is due to poor media. Please take my advice and get better media. Doing this should make 99% of your troubles go away.
     
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  4. JoeRyan

    JoeRyan Active member

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    You did not mention the drive model and the version of firmware it has. Your drive must have firmware that recognizes the MID code of a particular disc in order to know the proper laser power and pulse settings to use so that recordings are accurate. To state that "Imation media are crap" is ignorant, and blaming problem recordings on them without knowing whether or not your firmware is up to date is poor troubleshooting. (The digitalfaq site is only valuable as a chronology of MID codes initially supported by drive manufacturers. It is not a source of information regarding quality because no quality parameters are mentioned.) "Better media" are usually slightly better in terms of production uniformity and quality parameters significantly better in terms of compatibility with drives; and compatibility is the major reason for consumers' problems.

    If you can find the model number, the firmware version, your recording software, the MID code on the discs giving you problems, and the model of your DVD player that balks, there is a good chance of finding what needs to be changed for better recording. A simpler fix is simply to buy the most compatible discs (Taiyo Yuden--careful about DVD+R 16X versions!--and Verbatime); but that doesn't mean less compatible discs are of inferior quality.
     
  5. roxyholly

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    LITE-ON DVDRW SOHW-1693S KS0B (ATA)
    Current Profile: DVD+R

    Disc Information:
    Status: Empty
    Erasable: No
    Free Sectors: 2,295,104
    Free Space: 4,700,372,992 bytes
    Free Time: 510:03:29 (MM:SS:FF)
    Supported Write Speeds: 6x, 8x, 12x, 16x

    Physical Format Information (ADIP):
    Disc ID: OPTODISC-R16-00
    Book Type: DVD+R
    Part Version: 1
    Disc Size: 120mm
    Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified
    Number of Layers: 1
    Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP)
    Linear Density: 0.267 um/bit
    Track Density: 0.74 um/track
    First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608
    Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 2,491,711
    Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 0

    Physical Format Information (Last Recorded):
    Disc ID: OPTODISC-R16-00
    Book Type: DVD+R
    Part Version: 1
    Disc Size: 120mm
    Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified
    Number of Layers: 1
    Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP)
    Linear Density: 0.267 um/bit
    Track Density: 0.74 um/track
    First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608
    Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 2,491,711
    Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 0

    there is no manufactures ID#. see^
    and i don't dont how to find the model number, the firmware version, your recording software, the MID code
     
  6. roxyholly

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    nm disk id right? well its not on the website only one close is in 2 class OPTODISCR016
     
  7. creaky

    creaky Moderator Staff Member

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    i've had atrocious results/luck/problems with Imation, specifically Optodisc, and Emtec which were Optodisc also. However i made sure to never go near Imation again, so can't comment specifically on 16x ones
     
  8. larrylje

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    Disc ID: OPTODISC-R16-00

    Is the Manufature ID# witch is 2nd class media.

    I would start with getting better media.

    Plus making sure you have updated the firmware as well. But Better media should be a priority in my opinion.

    It is not an ignorant statement when I first hand have used Imation media and know how crapy they are. Since changing media to a different brand TY's I have had no trouble.

    Allot of people on this sight have problems with them plus others in my family have had poor results with them. My Bro-In-law bought a 50 pack of them for me to record wrestling for him and every other disc he brings back and tells me it freezes and pixlates. So I need to burn another copy hoping this time he will not get the freezing and pixelation.

    There are numerious threads that are started and the advice givin is to get better media. Why is this? Becuase 90% of the time it is poor media. So I guess everyone has to be wrong and not being logical giving that advice.

    At least i am here giving help. So if you have somthing new to add then add it but why belittle somone that is also trying to help.

    When I first started making backups I had a hell of a time getting consistent burns. I was always told to get better media. Finally I did get the media that where recommended and have never looked back. It was the best advice that was giving to me. So I will never stop telling newbie’s to get better media. As I stated before I think that is 1 of the most important piece of advice any member can give a newbie.
     
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  9. saugmon

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    The firmware version of your drive is KS0B.

    KS4B looks to be the latest firmware update for your litey 1963s. Here's where it's located:

    http://codeguys.rpc1.org/firmwares.html#SOHW-1693S

    You may want to hold off on that firmware update and keep that link bookmarked into your favorites.There's a slight risk of ruining a drive with an improper flash.

    Optodiscs are very poor. A few things to do until you get rid of them for some quality verbatim or taiyo yuden:

    1) Try to keep burn speed at 4x max
    2) Keep compression to a minimum
    3) Keep the edge from being burned- Backup target of 4300 mbs.
    4) Don't put any critical data on them

    This is a classic sign of poor quality media. Poor quality media has to be burned slower,low compression,and at a reduced backup target size.Even if they successfully burn, the playback issues will be magnified when viewing low quality backups on stand alone players. They'll cause: freezing/skipping/jumping/pixellation/and no disc inserted errors.
     
  10. roxyholly

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    well i have 100 dvds so its going to be a very long time.... what do i put in dvd shrinks burn settings it says
    max,
    1.0x (1,385kb/s),
    2.0x (2,770 kb/s)
    2.4x (3,324 kb/s)
     
  11. JoeRyan

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    The symptoms Saugmon describes are typical of both poor quality discs as well as incompatible discs. The Optodisc discs you have are compatible with your drive in terms of recording speed may not be in terms of overall recording quality. I have not tested these discs personally; so I can't comment on their initial quality; but Optodisc media I have tested in the past did not perform well.

    Follow Saugmon's advice in recording the discs. If you can scan them for quality after recording, note whether or not error rates increase toward the end of the disc. If they do, then keep the file sizes on the smaller side, away from the critical edges. If the error rates are reasonable, then tilt from uneven discs or coating inconsistencies are not a worry; and your files do not have to be compressed as severely.
     

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