DVD-R to DVD+R

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  1. amper1

    amper1 Member

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    Hi, I am still not quite sure what exactly is the difference between DVD-R and DVD+R, and my question is this: is it possible to create a copy of a DVD-R onto DVD+R media? I have a film burned onto a DVD-R disc and a whole stack of DVD+R's that I don't want to just turn into coasters
     
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    binkie7 Moderator Staff Member

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    Hi amper1
    Yes you can copy from a -R to a +R - as long as your drive supports both formats (majority of the newer/somewhat newer ones do)

    The biggest difference between the 2 is a +R can be booktyped to DVD-Rom increasing compatability w/ players. -R can't be booktyped.

    Use good media too like Verbatim, Taiyo Yuden or made in japan Sony, Fuji & Maxell.
     
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    Thats great news for me, thank you very much
     
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    binkie7 Moderator Staff Member

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    You're very welcome :)
     
  5. saugmon

    saugmon Senior member

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    That's also called re-ripping. It's an effective way to really see how good of a set up you have.. The main thing is hopefully you won't get any crc errors. Major errors or errors in the wrong spot/s-and that CRC error will pop up.

    Hopefully your dash backups were burned:

    Good quality media-It's the most critical item for dvd backus.
    4x-8x burn:depending on burner quality and media quality.
    Quality dvd-rw drive
    Not burn edge of the discs- target of 4360 mbs
    No multi-tasking
    No paper/sticker labels

    Stick with that recipe to keep those little errors(PIE/PIF) to a minimum.

    amper1: What's the brand name and model # of your dvd-rw drive?

    Booktyping is definitely the way to go if using the plus format. Maybe yours has that capability?

    Here's how stand alone compatability rates:
    1)Booktyped backups have the highest success rate
    2)Dash
    3)Plus
     
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    lyangsuan Member

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    I'm sorry..newbie here
    what is the meaning of booktyped?
     
  7. binkie7

    binkie7 Moderator Staff Member

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    Hi lyangsuan
    Welcome to aD

    Booktype sets a field in +R media to make the disc appear as a DVD-Rom.
    Your drive just needs to have this ability. A few programs will do it - Nero will auto booktype for one(just need to set to automatic). Or the drive may have a utility to use if the program you are using doesn't have it.

    Here's link for a little more info:
    http://www.k-probe.com/bitsetting-booktype-faq.php
     
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    larrylje Active member

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    Booktyping will not work with all drives +R/+RW media are the only blank media that you can be booktype.

    It in a way fakes a DVD homeplayer into thinking a DVD-ROM disc is in the player which will make it more compatible to DVD home players.

    What I understand the diffrence to be is how the media is wrote to the disc. Each way (DVD-R/DVD+R/DVD-ROM) the DVD player has to accsses it a diffrent way.

    Booktyping DVD+R media to DVD-ROM makes that accsses more comen to more players.

    If I am wrong I am sure someone will come along and correct me.
     
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  9. amper1

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    I am using:

    1. An external Pioneer DVD-RW DVR-K12D with a USB connection
    2. An internal Lite-On DVD+RW SOHW-802S

    Can I copy straight from one to the other? I've been using Sonic RecordNow V7.10, but can anyone suggest any programs which might be better to use?
     
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    saugmon Senior member

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    There's a higher risk for doing disc to disc copying-also called on the fly. I'm not sure how it'll work with an external drive.

    I have sonic,used disc to disc a couple times and seemed ok. I like nero's better.

    A slightly slower option would be Dvd decrypter -FREE:

    Insert backup disc

    Open up dvd decrypter

    Click Mode /Iso Read/click on harddrive/burn icon: Send those files to the harddrive-remember where they go.

    Click Mode/ISO write: Set the burn speed/click small folder on the top left corner/locate your movie/locate MDS folder/open/OK/Make sure correct drive is set as destination-click harddrive-burn icon and away she burns.

    This will take approx 5 mins to rip back to harddrive.Should be quicker than dvd shrink,and safer than on the fly.

    Hopefully your first copies are ok.If not- crc errors. There's a couple settings in dvd decrypter to help get through the crc errors.

    Those little errors that are on all backup discs can make it difficult to re-rip on the fly.
     
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    what is DVD-ROM?
     
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    binkie7 Moderator Staff Member

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    Just my little understanding of it but a dvd-rom is another format of media that is pressed instead of burned, Like the discs you back up are burned. Usually used for the originals you buy.
    It's compatabiity is pretty high in the different players.
     
  13. lyangsuan

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    Thats mean booktype is press the data into the DVD, not burn the data into the DVD?
     
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    binkie7 Moderator Staff Member

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    On +R media there is some free space (unlike -R) where a field can be set to make the disc appear to be a DVD-Rom.
    Booktyping basically fools the player into thinking the disc is something it's not - a DVD-Rom & that's how a player will read it.

    Hope this helps!
     
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    SO, -R is for holding backup data. while +R is for media?
    DVD player will only reads +R but not -R ?

     
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    binkie7 Moderator Staff Member

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    No I use both to back up movies. -R is more compatible than +R on players (maybe why booktyping came into play).

    From saugmon's post above:
    Here's how stand alone compatability rates:
    1)Booktyped backups have the highest success rate
    2)Dash
    3)Plus
     
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  17. lyangsuan

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    stand alone is like our home player? our computer DVD burner is not a stand alone. am i right? correct me if i am wrong :)

    -R cannot be booktyped?

    player will not read +R without booktyped?

    I do not have any DVD burner and i was wanting to change from CD to DVD, so when buying a DVD burner, should i care the + / - sign? and what else should be considered?
     
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    Booktyping helps [bold]all dvd drives[/bold] recognize dvd backups. This include PS2/xbox/pc drives/Stand alone recorders /and stand alone players-like the ones on the tele. DVD+R and -R are 2 totally different formats. Completely different than what you have on original dvds-which are pressed in dvd-rom.

    Getting a dvd burner? First thing to look for is Quality and then Booktyping capability. Especially if you plan to send your backups to a lot of different peeps. Benq drives are my choice,but very scarce. Plextor is top dog-PX-716. Lite-on and LG are other booktyping drives. NEC and Pioneer also quality drives,but some models Lack booktyping capability.

    All these latest drives will do Plus and Dash-dual format drives. Also they'll do DL media as well.

    -R cannot be booktyped. Only +R/+RW/and +R DL. Oh yea,when you start using RW and DL discs,that'll increase the odds of getting a no disc error in stand alone players. Booktyping will help prevent that dreaded: No disc/Dirty Disc/Wrong format/Wrong region- which certain drives give you when they don't recognize dvd backups.

    Highest stand alone compatable format:

    100% Pressed in dvd-rom format like original dvds
    95% Plus format/booktyped to dvd-rom
    85% Dash
    75% Plus
    5% That a stand alone player may not play any dvd backups.

    Plan on playing those backups in a slew of drives, Booktype them.
    Plan on playing in a couple drives- booktyping may be no biggie.
     
  19. lyangsuan

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    so, how's the speed? what speed is recomended? i mean when choosing a DVD burner.
     
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    The optical discs are the media. What is recorded onto them are files, either data files, audio files (data in an audio format), or video files (data in a video format). DVD-R is the DVD Forum's original choice for video recording; data were to be recorded on DVD-RAM. Pioneer developed the DVD-RW at the request of some to come up with a rewritable disc that was not stuck in a cartridge, as were the DVD-RAMs. The DVD-RW is a rewritable DVD-R, that is, it is a video format that allows sequential adding of files and can be completely erased, but erasing a file adds no room--the address of the "erased" file is merely overwritten.

    Philips, HP, and Sony though this was pretty crude; so they jointly developed the DVD+RW for both video and data. The DVD+R followed.

    The DVD-ROM (Read Only Memory) is a disc that has all its data pits molded into the plastic base. Aluminum is added as a reflector layer. All recordable DVDs have only basic information (MID code, write strategy information, and so forth) molded into the beginning of the disc along with a tracking groove and directional aids such as pre-pits (-R format) or a high frequency wobble in the track (+R format). The data are burned into an organic dye for the +/-R write-once discs or melted into metallic alloys on rewritable versions while the recording laser follows the tracking groove.

    All DVD players recognize the DVD-ROM bit setting except for some early players that get confused with double layer discs when the reflectivity of L1 (the second layer) drops. All modern DVD players also recognize the bit setting that identifies the DVD Forum approved DVD-R and DVD-RW discs (although the lower reflectivity of the DVD-RW does cause some problems.) Some players and recorders, most notably Panasonic models, refuse to recognize and accept the bit setting identifying +R/+RW discs. This is in retaliation for the rejection of the DVD Forum approval of DVD-RAM as the only "true" data format. In retaliation for that retaliation, some drive manufacturers allowed their DVD+R/+RW drives to falsify the +R/+RW bit setting as that for the widely accepted DVD-ROM discs. This will fool even the most restrictive Panasonic model (Panasonic models beginning in 2006 removed all restrictions for discs.)

    This is the background behind bit setting and the fact that it is not needed for the -R/RW format already approved by the DVD Forum. Set-top recorders all record at 1X. Some will also record at higher speeds if there is a hard drive in the device that allows transferring data from the hard drive to a DVD disc. For computer drives, it is generally wiser to cut the highest rated speed in half from, for example, 16X for a 16X-rated disc to 8X. Recording at even slower speeds runs some risk of recording at too high a level for fast-reacting dyes. Even though error rates appear better at first, the recordings may not be as stable, depending on whether or not the firmware engineers were diligent enough to step down power levels at different speeds for different media. (Cost pressures have reduced the staffing of firmware engineering to barely acceptable levels these days. That's one reason why we see so few updates for legacy drives.)
     

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