You are probably right about the devotees of Shrink. And X Copy is sort of going the way of the dodo. Big Brother sort of has his hands full trying to control what is free in the public forum. If you notice, most of the X copy problems were brought to the open forum for discussion. The private section, with its many company restrictions, couldn't or wouldn't discuss the various aspects of the program. Shrink is similar in that irregardless of the thread and title, someone brings it up. I've even done it myself in using Shrink to diagnose if a problem was system wide or a software failure. I don't even see maintaining a separate section for the DVD2One as things stand. Good software, but nothing outrageous. Instead of comparisons and discussing what works, we could have individual cheering sections. Granted, the complaints and praise could be localized. And a person with expertise in one program could help the other needy folks venerating the same app.