DVD shrink Data Error (cyclic redundancy check)

Thank you PACMAN 777, I appreciate the input. I was trying it out on Costner's THE GUARDIAN but was not having any success. The disc is DL. Is it the characteristics of DL discs to only open up to (in this video's case) 7 VTS files? At first, I thought it was just my usage of DVDDC/SHRINK(a week ago) and then FAB/VOBB. Finally, I finally "explored" while the disc in drive,...only 7. In the interim, I am going to follow up on your suggestion and experiment with RIPIT4ME. Oh, by the way, for a long time when using DVDDC/SHRINK, I was inadvertently processing in the reverse order...Shrink first, then DVDDC. My burn percentage, in retrospect, on an +RW disc was about 80-90%(Note: When using +R,50-60% successful burn.) the burn would "complete", but no movie. I changed media, used +RW burn rate improved. That may explain some of the sticky frame effects I had previously and ocassionaly experience, during playback. I went back and reviewed and painstakenly applied Pete's tutorial, step by step. My burn rate inproved some, but less playback problems, all things considered. From reading threads at this fprum going back to 2004, alone, I have a greater appreciation that what we have are different tools for different conditions and that sometimes when they don't work, I use my stand alone and an inline device bought over the counter at one of the big box stores.
As the little robot said in the movie: "Need input"....always. That how us humans learn and grow.

 

Shrink decryption software was obsolete even when it was under support. The author said to use DVD Decrypter when problems cropped up. Shrink remains a good transcoder, but was never great at decryption and even less able to handle the new copy protections. So Shrink shouldn't be used alone except with older titles and it's not 100% even then.

You can now throw most of those guides out the window. When some of those guides were written (circa 2004) Arccoss had not yet arrived and DVD Shrink and DVD Decrypter (DVDD) were still being supported. When CSS cracking and Region Codes was all that needed cleaning it was much easier. Nowadays there's a number of added copy protections. Their main function is to confound the recording software. Without proper handling the files read VTS structure errors, missing files and the like. DVDD won't handle some of the new titles on it's own. The constant changes and increased copy protection is the cause for the constant software updates and new methods for handling the decrypted files. With some of the decryption software the files still have to be processed for compliance after decryption. FixVTS and VobBlanker are the programs commonly used. FixVTS is easier, but VobBlanker has more options. For this type cleanup I use FixVTS. It's incorporated in my current favorite, RipIt4Me. http://www.ripit4me.org It's a macro that includes DVD Decrypter, DVD Shrink, and FixVTS in a system that works seamlessly to decrypt, clean up, process for compliance, and test for compliance. All the user needs to do is use the 1-Click mode and the program does all the necessary work. With the new heavier encryption it has been more successful than the other methods and software. When you know you have an older movie and don't want to do the FixVTS fix, you can use the Wizard mode and skip FixVTS. This program has given DVD Decrypter a new lease on life and gets DVD Shrink back in action, if for nothing else, the compliance analysis. Just remember the last Shrink and Decrypter are to be loaded before using the Ripit4Me installer (it installs the Ripit4Me and FixVTS). Browse the user guide at http://www.ripit4me.org/guide.html . The only other guide you'll need is for your transcoding software and burner.

I think alkohol may have done a "set up" and user guide for RipIt4Me. He often simplifies things so beginning users can understand better. That may be another guide you want to use. Those older guides on DVD Decrypter may be interesting as an insight into how the program functions, but with RI4M the DVD Decrypter function is handled by the RI4M macro.

 

Wow, Pacman 777,what a great mini-lecture class you give.
Thankyou, indeed, for the info. Be advised that it WILL BE cut and pasted and put in my information folder. I have a friend, fellow old G.I.,who WAS happy with the former Ripping/Burning combo. When I introduce him to it, it was the greatest thing since sliced bread..to him. Well sir, The Guardian is playing 1:1 on my player. RIM4M is for me. It took care of the "cyclic redundancy check" problem previously experienced with DVDDC/SHRINK. I went the long way instead of One Touch. I am getting ready to move my friend up from slice bread to croissants. He's gonna balk 'cause he has gotten comfortable with the relative 'get in get out', but I can testify the extra steps and the wait is sooo well worth it. It was a great homework exercise for me. My 9300 Dell is now, also, updated.
Alkoholic's tutorial was ideal, for us beginners. As he mentioned, if one did not make it through the whole process, the operator did not do something right.
How can I, now, effectively save these videos to my external hdd for veiwing on my 9300 in my entertainment center. I'm really trying to cut down on discs. Thank you again.

 

As I mentioned in my "mini lecture" the 1-Click mode is the best route to take with Ripit4Me (RI4M). Wizard does the same thing except you have the option to skip parts of the process. Unless you know for sure you don't need FixVTS, it's best to let RI4M do the entire process in 1-Click mode. The FixVTS processing takes about 5-10 minutes. If interested in exact times, just watch the program and time it. It's a short period to insure the outcome of your job.

RipIt4Me is fairly new on the scene. It's outstanding for a freeware program. I hope support is kept up for this one and it doesn't go the way of DVD Decrypter.

A family friend is a semi-retired doctor. He likes using computers but isn't into how things work. With his semi retirement he's had time to start backing up his DVDs. One of his patients gave him Shrink and Decrypter along with the warning it wouldn't do Sony movies. That was Arccoss, Puppetlock encryption and on some there other types. Lionsgate and Disney are a couple more who add heavy copy protection. Once I heard of his problem I introduced him to some programs so he could see the options available. With heavy copy protection (it's more than just the old CSS encryption) the DVD compliance needs doing, as you noticed. You can decrypt the movies and then process them or you can use RI4M and let it do the entire job seamlessly. My friend opted for the RI4M. Plus with the settings in Shrink preset, it's no problem finishing the job once RI4M is done. The only thing the user has to remember is to delete the files when through. He was proud to go back and instruct his patients on how to copy the "Sony" movies. Over the years, I believe the line between patients and friends has become blurred.

Glad you got the Guardian copied. I don't think it will be too difficult to get your friend to upgrade to RipIt4Me once he sees it does the job when others fail. Just let him know what it did for you. Old GIs should know to get out of the foxhole when a grenade is tossed in. That's what Sony did when they added the Arccoss protection. It's a "grenade" they intended to use to "blow" users away when it comes to copying DVD videos. LOL You can use the analogy to psych your buddy out. LOL

One thing we have to remember is to be flexible. Last month I was using AnyDVD for most of my decryption. This month it's a resurrected DVD Decrypter with the rest of the RI4M macro setup. You need to keep your eyes open for change. I'm not throwing anything away just in case. If RI4M falls by the way (and none of the programs have been 100%), it pays to have a backup plan. (Sometimes those puns just reach out and grab me. LOL)

 

Aren't you just the "punny" one. You validated my thinking on flexibilty and not "throwing" anything away. It's better to have to many tools and widgets and than to have to little.
Oh, I will use the 1-click mode. I'm still getting into the late 20th century, when it comes to the techno stuff alround us. So I get mentally stimulated when gathering new info and seeing how well I can apply it.
Oh, by the way, any input on how best to save videos to an external hdd for later viewing through home entertainment system via my laptaop? Is there a way to set the files up so that a movie will run seamlessly?

 

Recording to the external hard drive should be easy since most software have the option to record to the hard drive. Laptops aren't a good choice for a home entertainment PC. There are compact units built for those purposes, but they're larger and often more powerful than most laptops and have better ventilation. The heat factor is a key. Small towers also look good with home entertainment systems. You will need a good graphics card with video out that will work with your TV. Most laptops are lacking there as well. Laptops aren't really cut out for the job. However if you get it to meet the needs I pointed out, it may work, if it doesn't fry in the process. InterVideo has some good player software you may be interested in. http://www.intervideo.com

 

LOL I try.

 

Hey Pacman777,
Been ripping/burning my tail off all this week plus working in between. EVERYTHING, so far has burned w/o a hitch.
I do have IMG loaded on the
I referred my friend to RI4M, without the need of a grenade. I also sent him this link to save and read later. He's going to send copies of the files to a another friend who has no on line access at this time.
Did I understand from one the websites, that RI4M is looking to have some type of working realtionship in the are a Blue laser? Personally, even if decryption is available at some point, I don't think I will be ready, yet, to throw down the kind of dollars that is being asked for the new hardware.
For the time being, at my entertainment center, I use the the Targus cool pad under my laptop to keep it cool, when I use. The cool pad goes everywhere the laptop goes anyway. So for the time being, I got the flexibility to go this route. As time passes and my usage might actually increase, I would like to go to something biggger. But we be cool and making sure the only things that fry ore in the kitchen with cooking oil only.

 

Say what?

Glad to see you've gotten your buddies squared away. Lets hope things stay as easy. As for Blue Ray and HD DVD, I have no idea right now what the plans ro RI4M are. Like you though, I'm not throwing down the cash for those high priced units yet. Plus there's more to it with computers than just a drive.

 

Sorry PACMAN77,
Regarding a mind slip during my 15:50 17Feb response. I meant to say I have IMGBurn on my computer, along with DVDFabPlatinum, Nero 6 Version 66015, DVDCC and Shrink. Question for you and/or anyone else that can help me for clarification: Will I have any concerns about program conflicts? Another question: My daughter does not have any burning software, at this time. I referred her to download DVDDC, DVDSHRINK, and RI4M? Any thoughts that could improve on those recommendations? And lastly, I just got a dialogue message when DVDDC was running:
Devicelo Control(FSCTL_LOCK_VOLUME) Failed!
DeviceNote:My Sony +-RW drive)(ATA). Unable to lock volume for exlusive access. Reason: Access is denied.
Whew! I'm done.

 

That looks like a Nero log error. If so, I need to look at the entire log. I've used Decrypter, Shrink and a host of software without those errors or software interference. When using recording software, don't leave some on and try to use others unless they're intended for use together. For instance AnyDVD causes problems with RI4M and DVDFab. Your recommendation to your daughter was a good one. Hopefully you directed her to the RI4M website so she could read the guide. There's an exe that can be switched out with Shrink 3.2 which allows Shrink to auto burn with ImgBurn. With that there is speed control. Most people don't burn over 8X and with 16X media, the chances of writing errors increase. Here's the link, instructions included in the download.
http://www.digital-digest.com/software/download.php?sid=423&ssid=0&did=7

 

Thanks for the link. I will be updating both of my machines.
I did refer my daughter to the RI4M site and guide.
I have seen prior writings regarding ANYDVD running in the background. Is it the only one that does that? Oh, how do I go about accessing the Nero 6 error logs?

 

For the path to Nero 6 error logs you'll need to look around the Nero section or maybe someone else can help. I have Nero 7 and I remember the path is different. It's been so long since I used Nero 6, I don't remember the exact path.

DVD43 is a freeware similar to AnyDVD. I only wish it on my enemies. LOL I guess you can tell what I think of it. DVDIdle has DVD Region + CSS Free, also a retail product. Of the driver type decrypters, I'd say AnyDVD is probably the best. I own it, but have been using RipIt4Me due to recent problems slysoft has had updating for the newer copy protections.

 

Ok, as you can see I'm a newbie, and I really have been reading through this post and have tried cleaning my disk, letting it run and everything. My question is about getting a CRC notification when trying to burn a copy of a backup dvd. This all happened b/c I foolishly deleted the .iso from my computer but anyway... I have a backup copy of magnolia and I used dvd shrink to rip the movie onto my computer and then dvd decrypter to put it on the 4.7 gb dvd+R. The problem occurs when i put this backup dvd back into my computer and try to use dvd shrink on it. The CRC message comes up and I really don't get what to do. It comes up after about 2 percent is complete and doesn't want to budge any further. All of the settings for dvd decrypter and dvd shrink were on default while burning the original and while trying to make a copy of the backup. I'm almost positive it has nothing to do with the actual dvd drive itself because this problem never happens when i'm trying to backup a movie from an original copy but if anyone could help that would be awesome.

 

I'll assume the DVD is clean and shiny on the playing surface. Usually if you have unencrypted files, which a copy is, and DVD Shrink won't open them, you have a structural problem. Most likely it's bad sectors due to burn errors. I've had this happen to me and to date I still don't know why. Media was from a good batch. One bad burn out of hundreds with the burner. I used the same software. My errors were periodic across the disc. Just can't figure it and I know how everything works. But back to your problem. If you have nero or a similar program with utilities, run a scan to see if you have bad sectors. The free DVDInfoPro will do the needed scan. If the problem, bad sectors will show up on the disc where you encounter the problem.

What was I thinking? If you had nero, you would have been using the copy utility.

 

What do you know, you were right. I ran the Dvd info pro check and there were a lot of bad sectors. Now is there anything I can do to copy this disk or can I just enjoy the copy I have? The only thing that makes me kinda mad is that when you use dvd shrink and dvd decrypter arn't they supposed to make exact copies of the disk, so why are there bad sectors to begin with? But if you could give me little advice on what to do now that I've realized the disk has bad sectors and how to fix it, my friend and I would greatly appreciate it.

 

There's no way of repairing bad sectors. I used to use a program named DVDXRescue, but the company is long since out of business and the software took online activation. I don't know what recovery software is available nowadays. It's a long process and a less than desirable outcome when done. I'd just enjoy the badkup and go about getting another DVD if/when your current copy gets messed up.

Shrink and Decrypter don't make exact copies, unless you're going 1:1 with DL. Decrypter is no longer a desirable burner, especially with the faster media available now. ImgBurn (which is the updated Decrypter burner software) is a better choice. It has speed control as well as more function. Did I mention faster burns can lead to a higher possibility of write errors?

 

Ok so i read all the thread, tried all that was mentioned. I tried doing two movies. Both by the same studio and the copy portion stopped at the same exact place, then i tired a third movie, same studio and again it stopped at the same exact place. What am i missing here, i tried cleaning the discs, i tried using other "weapons" and the disk will just not copy and I tried with diffrent copies of each movie. Any ideas would be appritiated.

 

Ok so i read all the thread, tried all that was mentioned. I tried doing two movies. Both by the same studio and the copy portion stopped at the same exact place, then i tired a third movie, same studio and again it stopped at the same exact place. What am i missing here, i tried cleaning the discs, i tried using other "weapons" and the disk will just not copy and I tried with diffrent copies of each movie. Any ideas would be appritiated.

 

Were you getting the cyclic redundancy error? Did you do a Read Test Scan of each DVD? It's a remote possibility, but a series of bad presses can happen. You gave us no info as to the movie or the studio and we have no idea of your system resources. Did you try a backup program besides Shrink?