DVD won't play in player...makes no sense

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  1. Pmaw10

    Pmaw10 Member

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    Ok this makes zero sense. I have an iso of a movie that I burnt using nero. I used memorex dvd+r's. I put the disc into my dvd player and it says error, incorrect disc. There's no reason it shouldn't work. It plays fine on my PC, and it can't be a compatability problem with my memorex dvd's because I had burnt another video to the same exact type of dvd and it works perfectly fine on my dvd player. Does it have to do with the fact that it's an iso? Should I burn it with another program like alcohol 120? Or should I extract the files from the iso and then burn those? Or should I not try again and waste my dvd+r's because it won't work. It just makes no sense that 2 videos from the same kind of disc, one works and one doesn't.
     
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    Well I put the files in the iso onto my disk drive and then burnt those and still didn't work. You guys have been very helpful so far...
     
  3. larrylje

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    First off buy better media. memorsux is some of the worst DVD blank media you can buy. Just because 1 DVD worked and burned fine doesn’t mean all of them will. memorsux are very inconstant media. (Meaning you will get a hit and miss on DVD's that actually work using that media)

    Now where did you get this ISO? Was it a downloaded ISO or did you make it? If you made it then what programs where used?

    If the ISO is made correctly then you should have no trouble burrning it to disc. You could always try using IMGburn to burn the ISO.

    http://www.imgburn.com/index.php?act=download

    Make sure you burn no slower then 4x or half the recomneded speed. So if you have 4x or 8x then burn at 4x. If you have 16x then burn at 8x. Do not multitask during burrning. Try to booktype the DVD+R media to DVD-ROM and I would highly recomend you get rid of the memorsux media.

    More information would be helpful on where the file came from and how you have tried burning it.
     
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  4. Pmaw10

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    I downloaded it. I mount it on a virtual drive using alcohol 120 and the movie plays perfectly, great quality and sound. Right now I am burning it using another program (imgburn) and if that doesn't work I have no idea whats wrong. What media do you reccomend? My burner is an HP w/ lightscribe and my dvd player is a toshiba dvd-vcr combo, I don't know what model it is though.
     
  5. larrylje

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    I recommend using Verbatim or Taiyo Yuden. Or any media that is made in Japan. I truly think this is a media issue. I have 2 toshiba dvd-vcr combo's and nothing but Taiyo Yuden is consistent with those DVD drives.

    When using cheap media (Memorsux) it would be commen to get some that seem to work perfectly and get some that wont even load and give you incorrect disc format. The only way I could get DVD movies to work on those drives is if I used quaility media like Taiyo Yuden.

    So I hope you take my advice and get better media. There will be others that will give you the same advice. So do not reply with well other DVD's I have burned to that media works so I do not see why they are a problem. Just take the advice and get better media.

    I get my media at http://www.supermediastore.com

    they have always shipped quickly and have never had a problem with the media I have bought from them.

    Below is a media quality guide...

    You will need to know what the manufactures ID# is on the media you are using. You can find this with IMGBurn follow the below picture to find what the media manufacture# is. Then go to the linked guide below and find it in the guide. If it is not 1st class media then you need different media.


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    DVD Media Guide ---> http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm

    As you can see my Manufactures ID# is TYGO2 which are 1st class media.

    [​IMG]
     
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  6. Pmaw10

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    I tried it again and it didnt work. I have always used memorex cd-r's so i thought these would work. I mean are they really that bad? only 1 out of 4 working so far? Plus, the cost of these wasn't any cheaper than any of the others on the shelf. I loaded imgburn and put a disk in and there is no place that says manufacture ID so I did it in nero and it says ricohjpnr03 which is 2nd class so I guess you're right that I should get 1st class but I still have a feeling it's more than just the media. I mean 1 out of 4 seems crappier. And how come it works fine in my pc?

    EDIT: Actually its 2 out of 5. I remember I copied a DVD. My sister had the skeleton key so I used dvd shrink to compress and burn it and it works fine in my dvd player.
     
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  7. larrylje

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    Makes allot of sense when using cheap media. Try to play the DVD's in another stand alone DVD player if possible. (NOT A COMPUTER DVD-ROM)

    As I said before I hope you take the advice and get better media. You came for help and I am giving you the best advice that I can. It is up to you to take it or ignore it.

    Others will say that the advice I have gave you is right on track. So either keep buying and using the media and have more headaches or try my advice get better media and you will see a better outcome. Which you should change the media your using anyway even if this is not the problem.

    In the mean time if you want to try to get a better result with the crap media then do the below...

    Make sure your firmware is up to date on the DVD burrner.

    Burn at the correct speed 4x for 4x and 8x or 8x for 16x rated speed.

    Try booktyping the DVD+R media to DVD-ROM if your drive is capable of doing it.

    1 more sugestion. make sure the DVD movie you have downloaded is not PAL format. If it is a PAL movie and your DVD Player is not compatible with PAL format then it will not play in your DVD player.

    It could be possible that the ISO was not made correctly. So if you extract the files from the ISO folder use Nero to load them in and make a DVD-Video by starting Nero Burning Rom and follow the guide below.

    [​IMG]

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    I did another project, copied another dvd movie and used the memorex and it works in my dvd player. I have no money so I want to make the best out of the ones I have. So I think maybe the iso was made from a PAL dvd. Is there any program where I can find out if it is pal or ntsc?

    EDIT: Hehe, I knew it was something else besides the media. Opened it up with ifoedit and it turns out the dvd is PAL. Thanks anyway, I will definately take your advice and get 1st class media.
     
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  9. JoeRyan

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    The standard reaction in this forum is to blame the medium unless the disc is a Taiyo Yuden or Verbatim disc, in which case it would have to be something other than the disc. This is illogical because it presupposes a fault with disliked brands and perfection with favored brands. Both TY and Verbatim are excellent discs. There are claims that "TDK," "Memorex," "CMC," "HP," "Philips," etc. is "the worst you can buy." This is nonsense because: 1) there are far worse discs on the market from unlicensed suppliers or no-name brands that buy up B grade stock, and 2) the "evidence" that many incompatible discs come from CMC Magnetics does not take into account the fact that CMC makes the Verbatim discs from Taiwan with the same equipment and most of the same materials as in their own production. You can switch to other, more expensive media; and you'll be happy. Or you can stay with what you have if it has worked for you in the past. Just don't be bullied into a decision by illogic.
     
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    @JoeRyan

    You can have your own opinion about different media brands and the quality of them. But I know first hand that it does make a difference when using certain brand of media.

    As to the price of TY's being more expensive. Well I can get TY's for the same price as the cheaper made DVD media (Memorsux/Imation) The only problem 1 might have is most of the time you need to order the media off line to get it at that price or to even get it at all.

    I used to use Memorsux and Imation media and always had problems with every other disc. It drove me nuts becuase it was so unconstent with good and bad burns. I switched to Taiyo Yuden media and have no trouble at all with my stand alone players playing any of the DVD's that I have burned. So how do you question that when first hand I have experinced the diffrence between each brand of DVD's.

    So in my opinion your statement is false when you say it is not logical to blame media quality when having trouble. I also never bullied anyone into changing their media. If they want to take my advice then they will be better off. If they do not then they can spend more time making new threads and complaining about bad burns.

    Did I blame anything on the media completely? No I did not I gave other suggestion to try and fix the problem. Which it ended up being 1 of the other suggestions that I gave. But 90% of the time media is the issue at hand when having pixilation problems and disc errors.
     
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  11. Pmaw10

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    You are right larry. Well I followed a guide to "trick" the dvd player into thinking it's an ntsc disk using ifoedit and, except for some permissible menu issues, the dvd works perfectly on my dvd player. Thanks for the help, I'm sure I will be back soon for more :)
     
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    Glad you got it working. But I do highly recomend you buy diffrent media next time. I have used memmorex/Imation/Sony before and have had good results and bad results due to them being inconstitent media.

    I have used Taiyo Yuden for the past 2 years and hardly ever have a bad burn. If I do it is uasly operator error. I am just giving you my opionion on what works for me. It seems that it works for allot of members on this site. So I do not see how everyone can be wrong on the quaility issue of DVD blank media.

    So if you keep using them and have no trouble then good for you. But at least you will know that it could be a media issue if you end up with a bad batch of media. So if you have a problem and can not figure it out then just know it is possible that you can have 2 to 3 good batches of media but you can always get the 1 bad batch of media.

    Using TY's I have not had to deal with that issue like I did when i used the other brand media.
     
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    i have burnt many a dvd using memorex. triple digets worth. i have never had 1 fail or not work
     
  14. JoeRyan

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    Quality is determined by specifications which include physical parameters measured by test equipment and by freedom from known defects in manufacturing and/or processing. No opinion is involved. The data provide information on the quality of the disc. No one should claim a disc is poor quality without specifying which of the nearly 100 test measurements the medium misses.

    Discs fail for a number of reasons. Quality is one of them, but the more common failing is due to incompatibility with drives. In many cases the incompatibility is intentional: Japanese drive manufacturers align their drives to Japanese MID codes (whether or not the media are made in Japan) first and to Taiwanese MID codes later. This is frustrating to both manufacturers and to consumers. Taiyo Yuden (inventor and patent holder for CD-R recording) and Verbatim (developer of the DL disc) are both very high quality discs and very compatible discs. Taiwanese and some European production can come close TY and Verbatim in quality parameters but lag, sometimes for a long time, in compatibility. Most people, including most members on this site, confuse the two: quality and compatibility. That's where the logic comes in: "Incompatible discs do not work; bad quality discs do not work; this disc does not work, therefore it is bad quality." The disc could have been near perfect; but if it is incompatible, no one will know from the recorded results.

    As for batch related matters, many brands source from different manufacturers, sometimes simply because no single manufacturer can keep up with the demand. Different factories use different MID codes on their production, and that is one major reason why there can be inconsistent results with the same "brand." TY is a manufacturer, and this "inconsistency" does not apply to their production.
     
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    Joe has a point, many of the new burners seem to burn CMC discs well, there may be some longevity issues though. Many new burners can also produce quality burns at a higher than the rated speed of certain blanks. As I've said if the media I have cannot be burned at it's rated speed (I buy 16X Verb printables now) I would not use it as it's obviously not a good match for the burner.

    As to TY prices the low speed 'Value Line' discs are priced right, but I can buy 100 16X Verb printables in a spindled cakebox for $39.97 locally. The 16X TY's are more expensive and usually are offered in the more prone to damage tape wrap, plus it seems that many are not entirely pleased with the TYG03's performance.

    That said I won't use CMC/Memorex discs, but do hesitate to blame them for every disc burning problem known to man.
     
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    I agree that all problems should not be blamed on the media.

    But 90% of problems with pixilation/Disc errors etc is due to media. (however you want to say it Poor Quality media/Non-Compatible media which in any case it gets the point across)

    Yes there are other factors that can cause this problem. Which other suggestions where givin. 1 Of those suggestions fixed the members problem.

    But when Simone flat out says they use memorex/Imation media I will tell them to get better media. Because most people on this site have had issue with it. Plus I have had the problem myself when using that media when I first started backing up DVD's.
     
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    Well I picked up 25 Verbatim DVD-R's at best buy for 7 bucks so I am good to go. Got a bunch of blank dvd's, got my new HP DVD burner, now all I need is a faster connection. 768K just isn't doing it for me :(
     
  18. qwestisme

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    I converted my .bin file to .mpeg using VCDGear. Burnt it using Toast, DVD-Video format. Burnt the .mpeg to a DVDR-W. Loads as a DVD on my iMac, however does not work on any secondary DVD players. Any ideas?
     
  19. theboltz

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    How old is your Toshiba? I have an older Toshiba (2002) and it won't play DVD+R unless I booktype it to DVD-ROM. It is very possible that is your problem.
     

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