Forza 3 bannings!

I can understand a wave 3 being leaked. From what I am reading on xbl forums that people have been banned according to "the pro" that these people are playing bad copies instead of retail ones as he has stated that "they" can tell so it could be a reviewers copy of game and the retail is different (maybe the way it boots) or it is a wave 4 game like qwert99 is saying.

Here is a stupid question. Lets say I play forza 3 now off line and dont go on live until it is verified by abgx will I still get the ban hammer or will the chip in the 360 detect 2 different versions of the game?

 

Playing online or offline, there is no difference. As soon as you reconnect to Live, your 360 will turn over on you like the dirty snitch it is.

 

I think what's interesting is that they're banning profiles, not consoles.

I've read many, many, MANY posts and blogs where people generally care more about their profile than the console itself. You can ban their console. They don't care, they'll go get another. But you take away their LIVE tag and gamerscore, and boy does their tone change.

So maybe MS is now realizing this.

Or maybe MS has a way to detect backups, but it's still not 100% foolproof (like with the jitter debacle awhile back). So maybe they're using that info (red flag 1) along with certain versions of games being played early (red flag 2), and maybe something else we don't know about yet.

Long story short, you set off enough red flags and poof... LIVE disappears.

 

I am hoping against hope that you are not right about newly improved (or simply ballsier) detection methods, bhetrick. I hope that this was a fluke one trick pony for MS, and they got lucky with this transition between wave 3 and wave 4.

On the other hand, I would be happy if MS started banning only gamertags and not consoles. I'd much rather lose a nickname and an imaginary number than my console. So much less work to get it going again.

 

I"m sorry let me re word my question. Forza 3 right now is unverified. I burn and play off line. I dont go on live at all. Forza 3 verifies and is patched and I re burn with the abgx fixes and go on live will I still have the chance of the ban hammer or does the chip in the 360 send info that I had in 2 different versions of the game? Kind of like a reviewers copy compared to a retail copy played on the same console.

I also know you stand a chance of the ban regardless but since this is an insta ban just courious and really I dont care about a gamer tag permaban. Sorry for the stupid questions again.

 

Oh, me too. I'm not looking to be right or wrong about anything. I'm just throwing some posibilities out there.

Naw, no such thing as a stupid question. Unfortunately, none of us know what info is stored, if anything is even stored, or what not.

 

Heh.... just because you don't like the answer doesn't mean it's not accurate.

If MS is going to ban you for your pre-release play, they will ban you for it as soon as you log back on to Live. Perhaps not immediate, but if they caught you, it will happen then. It doesn't matter if you played offline.

 

Not to get too off track here, but MS does the same thing for temporary account bans.

Just reading through the suspension forum on xbox.com ( http://forums.xbox.com/1386/ShowForum.aspx ), it's easy to see that MS doesn't always ban you right away for breaking the rules. Quite often it seems like someone may have gotten away with some offense then bam, MS tags them later down the road.

So I could see MS doing the same thing when I comes to detecting modders. Maybe they do store incriminating data from the past and ban everyone in waves in the future.

 

Thank you all for the replies. I just wanted to re word my question as the first one wasnt clear enough...........


Also just throwing this out there. I wonder if M$ is know paying attention to gamer tags more since the tags store what games you are playing and in order to. With the new update i wonder if something isn't running in the back ground to let M$ know and then they check you out right away. But then again with the ODST leak there was no bannings so I don't know. But I do know that the person I get my games from is very reliable they only get retail versions.

Forza 3 is wave 3. Borderlands is wave 3. Smackdown vs raw 10 is wave 3.
retailers should have the games by now. SO i do trust the what is up right now. I am just trying to put up as much info that i know so that someone who does know what they are doing can see what is going on =)

 

Maybe....not sure about that, dvb.

I would still be careful with being sure about those games being wave 3, though. Borderlands isn't even released officially until Oct 20. You can do what you want, but I will personally wait for ABGX verification before playing them.

 

microsoft set a trap?....like jigsaw?

 

a think the people have been banned becouse the game that was leaked is on two disks all the cars and tracks that are supposed to be paid for from xbox live marketplace and dl content only and some accepted the new xbl update thats not out until next week

 

Hhrrmmm... are you sure about that?

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/103/1031109p1.html

 

This is interesting:

http://forums.xbox.com/29476424/ShowPost.aspx


my opinion from what I read is that turn 10 has the servers and working with m$ like if they see a gamer tag that they don't reconise on the servers and reporting to M$ and in return M$ is banning the people using Forza 3 bought retail or not. That is causing lots of problems for the people renting/buying the game legit. The mods don't seem to be too bright there as they are eluding to the fact that there is some illigitimate game play going on when a lot of the people on there don't understand why they got banned. If that is the case then M$ could be in a lot of trouble. I really hope this is the case. M$ will get what is comming to them like when they go and disable the "unarthorised" Hard drives and mem cards I really feel sorry for those people who was trying to save money due to overpriced HD. Hope this info helps

 

That thread you just linked to has a guy in it that's saying he wasn't banned from Xbox Live, only from playing Forza 3 online. He was also given an email address for Turn 10 so he could contact them to sort it out: -

 

I don't understand your logic. What do you mean by "get what is comming to them"? People are stealing from MS and MS wants to stop it. And you think MS is wrong?

Granted, I also feel their accessories are overpriced, but people aren't forced to buy a 360. It's their choice. It's not like MS is doing anything that will impact the average 360 consumer. The only people this will affect are the one's who wouldn't have purchased a 360 anyways, if it wasn't moddable.

 

Sorry

I was refering to the stuff that datel makes like the 2 or 4 gig mem card instead of the M$ 512 mem card and I think the 120 gig hd you can buy on ebay from hong kong that runs for about $60 instead of 130 or so. I just feel sorry for the ones who are tring to save some money on storage (the ones who havent modded their stuff).

Besides I was just throwing out a possible theory on how they are doing the bans. Yep that was a reviewer who was banned but I think xbl must have a group of id's that they track that are reveiwers that some how got buy turn 10 which explains why he wasnt banned from xbl but from the forza servers.

I am a major nooby booby so thanks for not flaming me =)

 

LAMBO!! hahahahaaaaaaaa

 

I think it's funny that people think they will be safe if they disconnect the ethernet and play offline, and all will be well. Yeah, your 360 logs what it's doing, and once you plug back in, M$ can see that!

I've been playing games before release all the time, just cause I know the risk, and don't care if M$ bans me, cause it's happened before (check sig). I guess I was too slow though to play Forza 3, cause 5 of my modder buddies got the boot as well!

Also, I guess people are getting the hit for Borderlands as well! According to 1up.com: LINK

And if my 360 goes to hell with all the others banned, I still got my PS3, so I'm good!

 

So,
Everyone is saying that if you play Forza 3 offline and then go online you will be banned. But has anyone actually had this happen to them with Forza 3 or any other game, or is it just a friend of a friend did this and got banned. I truly thought that if I didn't play online or even have my xbox signed into live that I would be fine. Gonna suck when I go online in a week and get banned for playing forza offline . Also I understand that some people feel that we have problems for wanting to play a game early. But that's just one of the benefits of having a modded console.