i brought a sagam dbox about 8 months ago off ebay and it has been great untill ntl changed there keys. i have been on this site for the last 12 hours looking at all the things posted by others. in that time i have achived nothing, lol but at least after 12 hours im in good spirits. i pressed something at first which deleted the 6 line keys in the "keylist.txt" im guessing this is where im supposed to change the 16 digit key. when i did this i switched the box back on to auto and did a channel scan and 2 of the six keys came back and i edited those with the latest keys for my area(berkshire south east) as posted on this site. however there are 6 keys listed not just 2. i can input the new keys but is the text that follows keys essential? for example i have this. N 5401 01 796918254282DEE8 ; ROM7 AU KEY Time Sun Apr 10 16:20 2008 N 5400 00 627030D925A11D15 ; ROM7 AU KEY Time Sun Apr 10 16:20 2008 do i really need the parts from ; rom7 right through to the 2008 in order for my box to work? cos i think the date and time is wrong. i have also found a file in the same area as the keylist.txt that says "nagra" in this file it has n: {5A01 00{00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00}} (null) N: {5A01 01{00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00}} (null) do these need to be changed to the 16 digit code aswell or instead of? or leave them alone? also i have found how to turn the auto update off but i can find nothing in my box on how to refresh the soft cams. i did find something called EMU SELECTION where i have 3 options. EVOCAMD EVOCAMD ALTERNATE SBMCAMD are these softcams? i think thats all the questions i have for the moment thank you for your help so far guys and thank you in advance for anything further you can help me with.