hmmm....could just be your burner...some burners just like specific media over another. I say if TY are working for you, stick with them...they are after all probably the absolute best you could buy (at least that is the opinion of numerous people here, I gotta get my hands on a spindle and give them a shot)
econmajor... Take a look at the outer label of the Windata cakebox. Where were the discs made? Hong Kong, Taiwan, or China? Also there is a lot number on the label , what is it? I picked up 50 tonight to check them out. They are made in Hong Kong ..
i threw away the lable on the cakebox, but this is the exact item i ordred: http://microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=244675 what does it mean if they are made in HK? does that mean they are fake MCC004?
I can't think at the moment as to your disks and being fake or whatever. It's like 10am and I've just got up Anyhow, have you tried burning with IMGBurn?
Eco...I picked these up last night. They are the Windata DVD+ and DVD- formats. They code out as mcc 004 and mcc03rg20, made by Verbatim. BUT the package states MADE IN HONG KONG by UmeDisc Limited , City of Industy , California. My understanding is Genuine Verbatims are Made in Taiwan so the package would state MIT on it. Also checking this Ume Disc Company yields info on their manufacture of fake discs . Info here at bottom of page. http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm Question 1.. Does Verbatim manufacture dvds outside of Taiwan? 2.. Does Verbatim make any House Brand dvds for anyone? 3.. Why are the inner halographic numbers different and or lacking on the Windata disc as compared to a genuine Verbatim disc? 4.. Why are there no similarities at the center hub when comparing both companies dvds. They look totaly different.. I dont think its your burner I think its the DVDs.. JMO
i guess that settles it... they're junk. well since i can't burn PS2 games or DVD video on these, what are they good for? Will they be reliable enough for just data?
Well, depends how long you want to keep your data for. If these really are poor disks, then they'll die in about 6 months, give or take a month.
There are three possibilities as to the source of these discs: 1) Factory seconds rejected by Verbatim for their own use and sold off to UMEdisc for repackaging. 2) UMEdisc production using older or rejected stampers made for Verbatim/MCC--less likely. 3) Counterfeit discs--least likely. It is not possible to determine how long the data will last on the discs unless there is more information. If it is case #1, Verbatim may have rejected the discs for electrical, cosmetic, or mechanical problems at the tricky outer edge. In that case, recording the discs half to two thirds full will allow them to last as long as regular Verbatim production. It would be prudent in any case not to record anything on them you expect to retrieve in a few years simply because there is no way of determining the quality without expensive equipment.
Hi Joe... Do you have any info on this Ume Disc Ltd. I cant find much about them..The center hubs on the Windata discs have an opaque or frosty finish on them, different from the Verbs.IFPI FW79 is stamped on the center hub of the R- and IFPI FW77 on the DVD+. Any ideas? Are there any good Hong Kong dvd makers? I dont think these are counterfeit , they UmeDisc Ltd just borrowed the MCC mid code so the disc is 99.9 compatible with current burners. Yea Right! Who am I kidding?
Ume Disc is the second largest DVD producer in Hong Kong, slightly behind Infoscience Holdings. I don't know why the center area is frosted unless the stamper are rejects that had to be sandblasted or treated with acid to distinguish them from regular MCC production. Ume Disc cannot simply "borrow" MCC's MID code. That would be like Ford's sticking a Mercedes three-point star logo on their cars. That would truly be counterfeiting, but it has been done before. Some companies used TDK's MID codes on stampers of unkown quality to produce discs that appeared to be TDK media but did not perform as well. I apologize for not knowing much about this company. I do know that Plasmon, a stamper producer, often ships stampers to smaller producers with a Plasmon MID code. Skye Media was one such producer. The stampers can be good, but the final quality depends on everything else that goes into the rest of the disc. A poor stamper will always produce bad discs, no matter how careful everything is done afterwards. Stamper geometry is a crucial part of disc quality, but it is almost a "black art" because of its complexity.
Joe...So taking all the info we have so far it is very likely that these Windata dvds in plus or minus ARE NOT TRUE Verbatim, Definitely not made by Verbatim, because of the source UME Disk Ltd in Hong Kong and may not even be made with MCC dyes. Does Verbatim have/use any manufacturing plants outside of Taiwan?
Fred.. Made in Taiwan Verbatims are Not Trash. They are the #1 retail store media available in brick and mortar stores or retail stores as some call them. They are long lasting good burning media, second only to Taiyo Yudens. The Win Data discs we are talking about seem to point to trashy media, but are not made by Verbatim. Dont confuse the two.
Verbatim/MCC does not manufacture DVDs . . . However, they manufacture the proprietary dye used in their DVDs . . . From what I've read, Taiwan produced DVDs are manufactured by CMag using MCC produced dye(s). . . The CMag crap media is the media produced with inferior dyes . . . Verbatim media is also produced in Japan by Taiyo Yuden, in India by Moser Baer and in Singapore . . . All is very good Victor
econmajor..My 2cents..is to try burning at 4X & see if this helps..I use DVD Decrypter to check the Disc for bad sectors..Usually if they copy back to the hrddrv they are OK.I've got six DVD Players & only 1 is Cs sensitive,so I start with that one 1st,if it plays the movie then the rest will.I've used a lot of inferior media B4 I learned..Also found that these are very gifts for people U really don't appreciate,like Xwife
dilligaf9, I wish I knew more about the Ume Discs you have. I'm wondering if the software you used to identify the discs looked at the 13 Field ID's, saw that the numbers matched those for MCC (maybe because Ume Disc used MCC dye and wrote the same data instruction set for their discs), and assumed that the matchup meant "MCC" even if the stamper was not manufactured for MCC. I'm trying to learn more about identification software, ADIP codes, and write strategy coding; but I'm not there yet. MCC/MKK/Verbatim also use MBI near Delhi, India, to manufacture their discs. These are state-of-the-art facilities, but the process of manufacturing may need more maturing. CD-Rs from those lines are excellent. The discs are definitely not made by Verbatim because Verbatim contracts manufacturing from reliable optical media plants in several places. Another possibility I had not thought of before is that Ume Disc may have attempted to manufacture sample production to Mitsubishi/Verbatim using some of their source materials. If the discs did not qualify, they could end up being sold on the open market. I'm just guessing because I really don't know.
Joe... These are the House Brand media, made for MicroCenter as their own label WinData.. They had pallets of them from Ume and another company from China, dont recall the name. I wonder what the China brand would code out to be. If those come up Verbatim coded than we would have to think the worse... I used Nero CD Speed and DVD Identifier to get the id.
