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How To BackUP Your Store Bought DVDs ,New Releases ,Older Titles Etc.

Discussion in 'DVD±R for advanced users' started by ZoSoIV, Feb 1, 2008.

  1. greensman

    greensman Regular member

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    Is it just me or are there a few to many Scotts around here??? hehehe. :p

    Nice little addition there ZoSo. :) I'm glad that you're helping people and NOT plastering those girls all over AD again. :p j/k buddy.... hehehe.

    I've had all those progies and the only one that I've paid for is the PRO version of DVD ReBuilder. Great progie and excellent support!!

    I used AnyDVD and Clone2 but didn't see enough of a "change" or "improvement" from some of the other FREE progies to warrant a purchase. It's personal opinion I know but save your money for now and give the FREE progies a go and see how you do. :)

    hth......

    ....gm
     
  2. ZoSoIV

    ZoSoIV Active member

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    thats why i online both freeware and pay program options in my first post. pay programs are easier for newer members to use (less steps = less confusing) or like with me its more a time issue using the pay programs
     
  3. Willam

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    Hi folks. I really wanted to stroll in here victoriuosly and announce that I, unlike other newbs, have followed all theinstructions and succesfully burned a disc using the 1-34 step instructions. However, the "Burn ISO Image File with IMGBurn" does not appear in my DVD Shrink selection.

    So I moved passed this, and manually opened up ImgBurn, found my waiting img file and tried to burn to a blank DVD-R. The result:

    I 09:51:49 ImgBurn Version 2.4.1.0 started!
    I 09:51:49 Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 2)
    I 09:51:49 Total Physical Memory: 260,096 KB - Available: 76,876 KB
    I 09:51:49 Initialising SPTI...
    I 09:51:49 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...
    I 09:51:49 Found 1 CD-RW and 1 DVD±RW!
    I 09:52:38 Operation Started!
    I 09:52:38 Source File: C:\disc 1\FIREFLY_D1.ISO
    I 09:52:38 Source File Sectors: 2,227,504 (MODE1/2048)
    I 09:52:38 Source File Size: 4,561,928,192 bytes
    I 09:52:38 Source File Volume Identifier: FIREFLY_D1
    I 09:52:38 Source File Volume Set Identifier: 02B47EBFDVDSHRNK
    I 09:52:38 Source File Implementation Identifier: DVD Shrink
    I 09:52:38 Source File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)
    I 09:52:38 Destination Device: [1:0:0] LITE-ON DVDRW SOHW-1633S BS0C (D:) (ATA)
    I 09:52:38 Destination Media Type: DVD-R (Disc ID: RITEKF1) (Speeds: 1x, 2x, 4x)
    I 09:52:38 Destination Media Sectors: 2,297,888
    I 09:52:38 Write Mode: DVD
    I 09:52:38 Write Type: DAO
    I 09:52:38 Write Speed: MAX
    I 09:52:38 Link Size: Auto
    I 09:52:38 Test Mode: No
    I 09:52:38 OPC: No
    I 09:52:38 BURN-Proof: Enabled
    I 09:52:38 Advanced Settings - Force HT: N/A, Online HT: N/A, OverSpeed: N/A, SmartBurn: Yes
    I 09:52:40 Filling Buffer... (20 MB)
    I 09:52:41 Writing LeadIn...
    W 09:52:41 Failed to Write Sectors 0 - 31 - Reason: Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
    W 09:52:41 Retrying (1 of 20)...
    W 09:52:42 Retry Failed - Reason: Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
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    W 09:52:46 Retrying (19 of 20)...
    W 09:52:46 Retry Failed - Reason: Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
    W 09:52:46 Retrying (20 of 20)...
    W 09:52:46 Retry Failed - Reason: Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
    E 09:52:48 Failed to Write Sectors 0 - 31 - Reason: Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
    I 09:52:48 Synchronising Cache...
    W 09:52:55 User opted to skip the 'Close Track/Session/Disc' functions.
    E 09:52:55 Failed to Write Image!
    E 09:52:55 Operation Failed! - Duration: 00:00:16
    I 09:52:55 Average Write Rate: N/A - Maximum Write Rate: N/A
    I 09:53:35 Operation Started!
    I 09:53:35 Source File: C:\disc 1\FIREFLY_D1.ISO
    I 09:53:35 Source File Sectors: 2,227,504 (MODE1/2048)
    I 09:53:35 Source File Size: 4,561,928,192 bytes
    I 09:53:35 Source File Volume Identifier: FIREFLY_D1
    I 09:53:35 Source File Volume Set Identifier: 02B47EBFDVDSHRNK
    I 09:53:35 Source File Implementation Identifier: DVD Shrink
    I 09:53:35 Source File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)
    I 09:53:35 Destination Device: [1:0:0] LITE-ON DVDRW SOHW-1633S BS0C (D:) (ATA)
    I 09:53:35 Destination Media Type: DVD-R (Disc ID: RITEKF1) (Speeds: 1x, 2x, 4x)
    I 09:53:35 Destination Media Sectors: 2,298,496
    I 09:53:36 Write Mode: DVD
    I 09:53:36 Write Type: DAO
    I 09:53:36 Write Speed: MAX
    I 09:53:36 Link Size: Auto
    I 09:53:36 Test Mode: No
    I 09:53:36 OPC: No
    I 09:53:36 BURN-Proof: Enabled
    I 09:53:36 Advanced Settings - Force HT: N/A, Online HT: N/A, OverSpeed: N/A, SmartBurn: Yes
    I 09:53:36 Filling Buffer... (20 MB)
    I 09:53:36 Writing LeadIn...
    W 09:53:36 Failed to Write Sectors 0 - 31 - Reason: Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
    W 09:53:36 Retrying (1 of 20)...
    W 09:53:37 Retry Failed - Reason: Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
    W 09:53:37 Retrying (2 of 20)...
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    W 09:53:41 Retrying (20 of 20)...
    W 09:53:41 Retry Failed - Reason: Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
    E 09:53:46 Failed to Write Sectors 0 - 31 - Reason: Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
    I 09:53:46 Synchronising Cache...
    W 09:53:50 User opted to skip the 'Close Track/Session/Disc' functions.
    E 09:53:50 Failed to Write Image!
    E 09:53:50 Operation Failed! - Duration: 00:00:15
    I 09:53:51 Average Write Rate: N/A - Maximum Write Rate: N/A





    Am I not suppoed to be using DVD-R? am I that silly, or is there something more legit here that I'm missing.

    btw bbmayo..that is a spectacular tutorial. Big. Mad. Props.
     
  4. greensman

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    william all I can see is the possibility that your drive will not write to 16X media but I'm sure it's done it in the past. Maybe you got a bad disc or it's dirty. If you didn't already, try another disc or a completely different manufacturer (MID). ;)

    hth.....

    ....gm
     
  5. Saruta

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    Thank you for your help!! It was helpfull.....
     
  6. ZoSoIV

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    no problem Rock On!!
     
  7. Vrex

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    Is it better to make backup copies in DivX format (provided your player is DivX certified) for superior quality compressions?
    Thanks for any info.
     
  8. ZoSoIV

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    and ISO will give you the better picture quality

    divx will save room if your keeping the file on your HDD
     
  9. Ryu77

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    Actually, I was interested in testing this out myself. Let's look at this codec (DivX) objectively...

    You have a DVD that has a main movie size of say 6.5GB. DVD's use mpeg2 for video compression and let's say it has a main audio track of AC3 at 448Kbs.

    You want it to fit onto a DVD-5 (4.35GB), so the usual method is using mpeg2 and creating a regular DVD. You could use one of the regular (quite fast) transcoding applications like DVD Shrink, CloneDVD2, Nero Recode etc. etc. You will get decent results but not optimum.

    To get the very best mpeg2 recompression, you will need to use a method like Cinema Craft Encoder/DVD rebuilder or equivalent that does a full motion search 2 pass encode.

    However... What about using DivX (or even better AVC/h264) to recompress the video, whilst not looking to make small file sizes ready for internet distribution (or saving HDD space). What about using these more efficient codecs to use the entire space on a DVD-5? I am certain that the video produced would be far superior to a mpeg2 encode of the same bitrate.

    That's where the future is anyway. Stand alone players (Blu-ray) have full support for AVC (h264), and many more are supporting mpeg4 sp/asp (DivX/Xvid) etc.

    ZoSoIV, please excuse me for taking this thread a little off topic, but I do think Vrex's idea is one worth exploring further.
     
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  10. ZoSoIV

    ZoSoIV Active member

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    its not off topic at all thats what the thread is here for. dvd fab platinum can convert to several different formats ,MPEG-4/DivX/XVID/H.264 AVI/MP4 files so consider that
     
  11. Ryu77

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    Yes, I was referring to the fact that I was diverting away from the topic of standard DVD authoring (mpeg2).

    I personally wouldn't use DVDFab Platinum for mpeg4 encoding as I prefer to have more control over my encoding but it could be a good choice for beginners. :)
     
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    ISO better picture quality?!

     
  13. Mahra

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    Hi!

    What if I want to back up my DVD-R. Should I folow the same guide or there is a difference between store bought DVDs and DVD-R?
     
  14. Vrex

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    Ryu77,
    This is what I was getting at. In fact, I believe an entire 2 hr Blu-ray movie will fit on a single 4GB DVDR (in 720p) in mpeg4. This would be an alternative for backing up BD titles, at least until the cost of BD blanks comes down. Someone might consider writing a guide to do this.
     
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    Your DVD-R should have no protection, so is just a simple copy process. You can simply use ImgBurn to rip/burn the disc.
     
  16. ZoSoIV

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    if there DVDs that have already been backed up(with the copy protection removed) then all you need is a disc copier like imgburn or nero
     
  17. Ryu77

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    I think you might need to check the links in my signature, especially "The complete HD (Blu-ray/HD-DVD) back-up and transcoding thread". It has almost all of the tools you will need for HD video. I am continually working on this thread and I intend to post some of my own detailed guides soon.

    Or... You could even check this thread where I listed a step by step guide for compressing a BD disc to fit onto a DVD-5/DVD-9: http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_jump.cfm/646621/3916260

    I have used this method many times for HD material. Even at 720p... Using AVC (h264) to fill a DVD-5 (4.35GB) annihalates a regular DVD quality wise, not to mention 1080p encodes on DVD-9's.


    PS: ZoSoIV, I just noticed you added me to your buddies list!... Buddied back. :-D
     
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    Hello and thanks for this thread ZoSoIV.

    I'm brand new to DVD copying/creation having, as yet, never burned a DVD so any advice will be greatly appreciated. I'm doing my homework first and have a question:
    I own Nero/Nero Recode and of course have all the Freeware recommended in this thread. If I understand the advice given so far the recommended sequence for copying a DVD is:

    1) Rip with DVDFab
    2) Possibly clean up the rip with FixVTS or VOB Blanker
    3) Transcode with DVD Shrink
    4) Burn with Imgburn or Nero or DVD Decrypter
    Uses 3 separate pieces of software: DVDFab, DVD Shrink, Imgburn (etc.), with possible use of FixVTS.

    Since I own Recode can I reduce the software required by using this sequence:

    1) Rip with DVDFab
    2) Possibly clean up the rip with FixVTS or VOB Blanker
    3) Transcode with Nero Recode
    3a) Burn with Nero Recode/Nero
    Uses 2 separate pieces of software: DVDFab, Nero Recode/Nero, with possible use of FixVTS.


    Questions:

    Does Nero Recode do as good or better than DVD Shrink for Transcode?
    I'm assuming the actual burn phase is handled equally well by any of the software - correct?
    I will use whatever sequence that will give the better quality unless one requires *hours* more time to achieve a marginal increase in quality.
    I'd appreciate any advice or opinions on the above or an entirely new approach if it gives the better quality with good compatability.

    Thanks.
     
  19. ZoSoIV

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    Amanita54 YES nero recode 2 will work fine instead of using dvd shrink, i should add that to my list. and yes it works as well as dvd shrink other then dvd shrink has a Deep Analysis option for higher compressed movie, doing the movie only is your best choice.

    so

    1) Rip with DVDFab
    2) Possibly clean up the rip with FixVTS or VOB Blanker
    3) Transcode with Nero Recode
    3a) Burn with Nero

    will work fine

    or

    you can use anydvd behind nero recode and then burn.

    yes pretty much. most here like imgburn over nero to burn but if you aren't have any trouble burning with nero your fine the most important thing is to use good media like Taiyo Yuden or Verbatim and even Sony burning at 6x to 8x max!

    hope this helps you out
     
  20. Amanita54

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    ZoSoIV,

    Indeed it does help and is reassuring that at least I'm on the right track so far.

    The back story on this is that this is really for a non-computer literate friend who wants to do a variety of DVD burning. Since I know more about computers than he it is easier for me to learn to do it and then show him and give him a cheat sheet so he doesn't struggle for a few days trying to understand what is going on... ergo, the desire to keep it as simple as possible with the least amount of different software involved. He would have an hard time understanding that each phase is handled by a different piece of software.

    He already has TY DVD+R 16X media that I recommended he purchase. I didn't want to screw around with dicey media for the initial attempts. Also have some Sony MIT +R 16X made by Sony according to the code so we'll try those after things are running smoothly. Will try the burns at 8X to start as you suggested. I've no problem going down to 6X or 4X if needed; heck, I still burn my CDs at 8-12X.

    I'm sure I'll have more questions for a different thread as we get into this. He bought a USB device that captures VCR, Vid Cam, etc outputs to burn as DVDs. Its not an AIW card. I haven't even opened the box to see what we're dealing with, but first we gotta' walk before we can run. I'm sure the device he bought is akin to sandals rather than running shoes unfortunately. Looking into my crystal ball... I predict problems.

    Thanks for your help.
     

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