Alright everyone this is how I did both these movies You need Both Anydvd version (5.6.1.1) and Clonedvd2 you can get them here at http://www.slysoft.com/en/ This is probably the the fastest and easyest way to copy both these movies Also you can use this nice guide for Madagascar by alkohol where he uses Anydvd Vob blanker and whatever you use to burn ---> I use Shrink (the guide is found here) http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/2/259364 (Special thanks to alkohol for the help) Hope this helped somone