I might build a Comp. Need advice

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  1. bbiagllla

    bbiagllla Regular member

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    hello. i am thinking about building a comp. i have been researching my mind to death. i came up with these parts. please let me know if they are good and if anything is better that would suit me. im looking for a games computer. thank you.

    Sound card

    Mobo

    Video card

    processor

    Hard drive times 2

    dvd drive


    Cd drive


    Please let me know what you think i would need other than all that. i am putting it all in my antec nine hundred case.
     
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    That's a pretty high-end computer you're looking to build. Are you going to purchase RAM or do you already have some? If you have some, what brand and size are you going to use? Are you going to install a Windows OS? If so, do you already have a version or are you going to purchase that as well? Finally, are you going to use existing monitor, keyboard, and mouse or are you going to purchase these items as well?

    As for the system, it looks pretty good. You probably realize that your Plextor CD burner uses an IDE connector, but that's fine since your motherboard has 1 IDE slot. Your 2 hard drives are OEM, thus they won't include any cables. Your motherboard appears to come with at least one SATA cable, so you may need to buy another SATA cable. Your Blu-Ray drive is retail, so cables shouldn't be an issue for it. I assume you're going to use the stock CPU cooler that comes with the processor. This shouldn't be a problem unless you're going to do some major overclocking. Overall, this looks like a pretty good system.

    With the cost of all the other components, you might as well go all out and purchase a top-of-the-line power supply as well.
    https://shop.pcpower.com/power-supply/turbo-cool-860.html
     
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    This sound card does the same job but for a fraction of the price, it's still an excellent card too, I had one. The only reason I changed it was because I wanted an external card to take around with me.
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829102003

    The motherboard is ludicrously overpriced, unless you want to go with a triple SLI combination, it's a waste of time.
    This is also an excellent board, and much cheaper:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128086

    The graphics card is good, but this gets the same job done for a hell of a lot less money again:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814143119

    CPU is fine.
    Normal DVD Drive is fine
    Bluray drive is well, way over the top. Never burn Bluray discs, just use external hard drives, or if you're burning downloaded stuff, just get it in MKV/TS format and put it on normal DVDs.
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106227
    This drive can still read Blurays for a fraction of the cost.

    The power supply is a heap of crap, no matter how good it looks. These things are forever going wrong and catching fire.
    get a proper unit instead like this:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139002
    620W is more than plenty for your system.

    As silk says though, you're missing the RAM.
    I'd suggest using two of thse:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145033
     
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    sounds good. should i go with the 860w psu or the 620w one. im glad i posted. i know alot but i dont know too much about putting them all together from scratch and prices. i know what looks good but i couldnt tell you what gives me my bang for my buck. here is the memory. forgot to post it. what i was thinking is:

    Memory

    what you think.

    how do oem's hook up?

    as far as OS. i can get xp from my brother. however what do you recommend.
     
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    also i plan on buying a new heatsink and cpu fan. what do you suggest.in mine now i got the rosewell. it is really nice. even though icant use my desktop anymore. wont reboot cus of he damn bios. anyways back to topic. im not worried bout monitors, mouses keyboards and the external stuff. that is compatibale withany computer. its the internal stuff i need some advice on.
     
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    whats is the difference between triple sli and the one you refered to me. also can i put two graphics cards in this system. if so whats the pros and cons. also if money was no option would you still go for what i originally listed or would you go for what you refered. im going for quality here. thanks for the help so far.
     
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    i was wondering. whats does this do.

    something bout raid

    what about something like this

    vga cooler

    hey also. sorry bout the many posts. didnt realize i could edit my posts.
     
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  9. sammorris

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    I quote myself,
    WITHOUT QUESTION, go with the 620W one.
    Kingston HyperX is alright, but bear in mind all PC8500 RAM is overclocked 6400 stuff, and since Kingston stuff isn't the best overclocking RAM in the world, I'd say to go with this instead:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145043

    I'm not sure what you mean here, can you clarify?
    As for the OS, XP is fine, I prefer it to Vista, as do most people around here.
    For the CPU fan, I recommend either this:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186134
    Or these
    http://www.ncixus.com/products/23531/ULTRA-120-EXTREME/THERMALRIGHT/
    http://www.ncixus.com/products/17749/SFF21F/Scythe/
    The Freezer 7 Pro is an excellent cooler, better than most Zalmans, and certainly better than Rosewill coolers, but the Ultra 120 is in its own league.

    Triple SLI is the use of three graphics cards. AFAIK it can only be done with the 8800GTX and 8800 Ultra. In the same way that SLI (Scalable Link Interface) allows the use of two graphics cards to boost performance, triple SLI allows the use of three. Highly over-rated in my opinion, but I will be experimenting with a dual graphics system soon, so I'm not really one to judge. It's worth bearing in mind though that I'm only doing it because I run a very high screen resolution (2560x1600). On a normal monitor up to 22" the highest resolution you will encounter will be 1680x1050, and for that, a single 8800GTX is usually plenty. I usually recommend people don't go with SLI systems unless they absolutely have to, because doing so means you HAVE to have an nvidia chipset on your motherboard. The general consensus here is that they're not as good as intel chipsets, which can only be used for either single cards, or ATI's dual graphics card system, Crossfire.
    If money was absolutely no object, I could see why you would want to go with the triple SLI system (that would require three 8800GTX cards, so that totals nearly $1000 extra for a gain you may not see much of) but unless you use at least a 24" widescreen monitor, there's really no point. As far as quality goes, the Power supply is absolutely crucial, you must not use that crappy Rosewill unit AT ANY COST.

    My golden rule is, if you're not familiar with RAID, don't use it! The only occasions where RAID is really beneficial is if you're using at least 4 hard drives, where it can be used to offer drive redundancy for a reasonable setback in total capacity. You should never use RAID intending to get a boost in speed, it doesn't work that way.

    The graphics card cooler (coolers, if you're going with multiple graphics cards) is OK, but it's not powerful enough to cool an 8800GTX. For that you have to have one of these http://www.ncixus.com/products/23474/HR-03 Plus/THERMALRIGHT/ and preferably a fan as well like this http://www.ncixus.com/products/12828/92MM/Nexus Technology USA/ - but you might well have space issues if you use more than one of these.
     
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    @sammorris
    He was referring to the power supply you listed and the PC Power&Cooling PSU that I listed. I agree that your PSU is better than the original one that he listed, but if money is no object, I'd pick the PC Power&Cooling PSU over both of them.
     
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    If you're going with multiple graphics cards then the PC P&C unit is worth picking up. Be advised though that the PC P&C unit is so loud that your PC will have to be in a separate room to the one you're playing in. I'm not joking either. You won't be able to hear an A/C unit at full blast over that thing.
     
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    They hook up the same as retail, you just don't get mounting screws, or any cables that you would get buying retail, thats the difference.
     
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    I'm not usually one to get picky about things, but I think calling this PSU loud is an overstatement. The noise from this PSU is 32-44 dB, you can view it straight from the specs (link here).

    A dB of 50 is considered quiet (link here). While I'm not going to dig up all the dB readings for each component, I'd be surprised if the sound from the PSU is any louder than any of the other components in the computer (Video Card, PSU Cooler, Case Fans, CD-ROMs spinning).
     
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    A little bit of reading and you'll soon discover that manufacturer specifications for noise are all too often BS. The TurboCool uses the Delta 80mm tri-blade fan, rated at 5000rpm full speed. Draw more than 500W or so from the unit and the fan will be running pretty close to that.
    50dB is quiet for machinery, but remember, that noise isn't going to go away until you stop gaming, and most people use their PCs in rooms where that noise level is going to rapidly become annoying.
    The loudest CPU cooler in frequent use, the Zalman CNPS9700 is around 40dB full speed, and DVD drives are up to the 42 mark. Most graphics cards now run in the thirties if that, thanks to better coolers. A 50 decibel power supply is going to hurt. try looking up some actual reviews of the unit that stress it properly, none of them will tell you it's quiet.


    Also note that due to the three blade fan, it's a lower frequency noise. On the plus side, it's less irritating to your ears, but on the downside, it will pass straight through sound-dampening headphones. Another noisy PSU, the Coolermaster RealPower bottoms out about 10dB below the Turbocool unit (remember that dBs are an exponential scale) and I could hear that PC when I was at a LANParty with my headphones on playing a game, and it was irritating. I had to turn the volume right up to not be able to hear the hum in background, and I don't like having to play games at near maximum volume just to not have to hear a distracting PSU in the background.

    Of course, some people aren't bothered at all by raging Delta fans, but since the Turbocool is about the loudest PSU money can buy when stressed, it's worthwhile pointing it out.

    This PC (I don't know this guy btw) uses a Delta high speed fan. It's larger than the one in the PC P&C Power supply, but makes a similar noise level, and more to the point, a similar sounding buzz.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJ-zCRLKGr4
    Listen to that and tell me you want your PC sounding like that.
     
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    I prefer to use my own opinion since I have a couple of these PSU's that I've built for clients and the dB levels that PC Power&Cooling lists are extremely accurate. In fact, I was going to give you a screen shot of the decibel reading of one of the units I currently have, but the decibel meter that I have only reads between 40 and 130 db.

    This is the type meter that I was using.
    [​IMG]

    With that being said, I tried maxing out the PSU as much as I could and I was unable to get the meter to register anything above 40. If you own one of these PSU's and it's too loud for you, then you either received a bad unit or your ears are overly sensitive. My guess is that you're comparing this to a different model, because this model just doesn't produce much noise.
     
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    You can't use decibel meters like that to measure PC parts, they're just not accurate. Having a reading on one of those that corresponds with PC P&C's levels is a) probably coincidence, what distance did you take it from, what angle? and b) probably at a lower load level. At a normal gaming PC load, such as with a single 8800GTX and a mildly overclocked Quad core, the unit will make a perfectly acceptable amount of noise. It takes a serious amount of components to reach 600W, we're talking three graphics cards really to do that.
     
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    You're probably right. I have no idea what I'm talking about. No matter what I do or say I'm still going to be an idiot. I guess all my happy clients are idiots too, since they keep coming back to me for more work.

    There's really no point in arguing over a high-end power supply. It's like arguing whether a Corvette is better than a Viper. They're both nice and you'll get arguments for both sides. In the end, it comes to to reliability. I've never had a PC Power&Cooling PSU fail. The other parts of the computer will become obsolete long before the PSU will go bad. The fact that they offer a 7 year warranty should prove that they are confident in their product. I have no doubt that this PSU will meet all of the needs for this system, unless of course you have sensitive ears and even that's arguable.
     
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    That's true, for one thing you never see a PC P&C unit go bad, they are exceptionally well built. But then so far, I've not heard of any issues with any of the Corsair units here (sure there are negative reviews on newegg, but I don't really trust those idiots!)
    As far as the noise goes, I know plenty of people who don't give a toss about how loud their PC is, but then I also know plenty of people who really do, so it depends. The way I see it, something like a Corsair TX 750W would be a good competitor on a slightly more acceptable noise signature!
     
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    hmm. thanks for the help. i know what ill get. you guys are very much informed and well knowledged on computer builds.
     

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