IMPORTANT NOTICE - BAD MEDIA - UK

No reviews have ever been removed from my website, good or bad. Suggesting so is libel so I should watch your tongue if I was you flash, or might end up with a law suit you cannot win or afford.

Paladine

 

another thing by now a moderator should have closed this thread for the shear sh*t bieng said.

But it ain't going to happen cause we all know who runs this forum :.)

Mr****

 

I have stated nothing slanderous about e-net. I clearly stated that the details I have are from word of mouth and may or may not be true. As for comments about them being responsible for the crap media in the uk, this is also true, since they are the largest importers of media into the UK and the reported problems are generally with their media (documented all over the web and based on personal experience) there is nothing illegal or libelous about it.

Flash suggesting that I remove reviews from my website however, is libelous.

Paladine

 

Nacked geek you are obviously a clever man but I think you are getting mixed up. The thing about forums is that the majority of users on them are media suppliers, manufacturers, testers and poeple with vested interests.

O and the odd customer. And you never know who the next guy is you are flaming. now take me for example who am I now I know the guys at the distribution centre in Scotland and I have met them all and it has to be said they are quite a good bunch a fella's, and it would not suprise me if they were watching this and chuckling to themselves. I know of 4 forums which are hosted or funded by manufacturers and as an indipendant watching this I see your point but I also do see that what you are saying is slander i.e [bold]you have heard from other poeple you have seen on other forums[/bold]. This in a court of law is known as hear say and has about as much ground as venice in a court of law, now on the other hand you are stating that the distributor in Scotland is importing bad media and they are the main cause of dodgy disks.

Shear statistics state that if you sell 100.000 disk and 100000.000000 disk the fall out rate on the high turnover is going to be up a we bit don't you think.

Know if I was you I would cater for all clients with different manufacturers. This would keep this from happening i.e you would have you Ritek fans and you would have your AN31/32 fans and everyone would be happy.

;.)

 

Actually I never stated I got the information on e-net from other forums, I said I got the information on e-net from 2 sources, the first being businesses that buy stock off him and have done for some time, the second was from a company in Taiwan who claim to be E-Net's supplier. I am not stating that e-net IS guilty, I am stating that this is the information I have been given, you choose to interpret it however you please.

As for my products, I fully intend to stock a large range of different manufacturers, I have even been in touch with TY.

Paladine

 

Dude what is this.

Quote.

[bold]As for comments about them being responsible for the crap media in the uk, this is also true[/bold].

And have you ever though how many companys claim to provide Scotland with Media. I for one have heard it all I have spoken to quite a few media Suppliers and Manufacturers and they all claim to be the best and the truth is they are all good in there own right.

But If I was a purchaser of goods from Scotland and I may be ;.), and I was unhappy with the goods they are not twisting my arm into buying from them. that is the choice that you contact has made.

And as for Tiwan well what can you say ever little p*ss P*t company would fall to there knee's if any up and coming company with money in there back pocket asked them to make disk for them and they would probably kill to get the contract for the rights to supply both comapnys in Scotland.

What do you think.

 

Dave, what you don't seem to understand is, e-net are not just a company selling media in scotland, they supply wholesale to a lot of companies in the UK (all over the UK). All the companies I know that buy their stock from him, hate doing business with him, they do so only because he pretty much controls the market.

The company in taiwan were trying to sell me C Grade Riteks and their sales pitch was "E-Net sell these C Grade very good, we send them lots of C Grade, you make a lot of money." They phoned me, I never phoned them. I am in the process of running tests of their "A Grade" media against some e-net media to see if there is a significant difference in quality. I fully intend to publish the results.

Paladine

 

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Read my post I never mentioned your website it is obvious you would not post adverse reviews on your site so there would be no need to remove them. You decided not to publish my review on your site for reasons only known to yourself.
You did however request with the administration of media-help to have all posts and threads concerning yourself and your media removed from the forum although some of these posts were made by members other than yourself and me. Amongst the threads deleted from media-help was the thread with the review of your media which in my opinion was a fair assessment of its suitability.

 

I do not put the reviews on my website. The customers do. You were not a customer.

Paladine

 

[bold]Were not, Am not, & never likely to be a customer[/bold]
For once you are correct I have to agree with you on this one

 

Homer

Look what you have started!!! LOL!!! Quite amusing and quite interesting to read!!!

 

I have to say that this is totally true. I know a local dealer who absolutely cannot stand the company. And when I had a word with the head of a certain large reseller, he was diplomatic about it but said pretty much the same thing, but there isn't much can be done about it really.

I for one avoid e-net products like the plague these days.

As for AN32, I was under the impression that this isn't a dye type. AN3* are supposedly test MIDs used, mostly without licence, by a number of HK/China based companies, Infosmart being one of the largest. I have to say that the AN32 "Naked Geek" media I sampled (NOT bought direct from the company, at least not by me) looked cosmetically identical to any other Infosmart(/AN3*/MEDIAID001 etc) media I've used. That said, the PI/PO error rates were low, much lower than typical results for Datawrite Red AN31 for example, and the discs did work OK in all systems I tried (albeit rather noisily, the discs I had were poorly balanced). Tests done with an A05, A07 and 2500A.

Personally I found them OK, but with Medea International branding Daxon-manufactured Sony-MID DVD-Rs for 20p a piece in bulk, I wouldn't buy anything else currently. But that's just my humble opinion, so please don't flame me for that

 

Thanks Jase,

I don't know who you are, but thanks for an honest post. My honest advice to people about ritekk disks is very simple, if they are branded as A Grade and they are cheaper than Arita, the chances are they simply are not what they say they are. Arita is Ritek's -Official- B Grade media, so why on earth would they be selling A Grade media cheaper than B Grade media? The only ritek I trust in the UK at the moment is Traxdata, and if you look at Traxdata you can see the huge price difference between Genuine A Grade Riteks and the crap that is being rebranded.

As for my AN32 disks, I decided on the AN32 because I didn't want to be in the ritek market at the time due to the massive problems, -and- my an32 were out performing the riteks in the UK. All my customers are very happy with them and I continue to get disks made at the same factory despite now branching out to other manufacturers.

I recently launched a Premium Grade disk which is being made by Taiyo Yuden and a week later I get an email from the same supplier in Taiwan that is shipping the C and D grade riteks into the UK. The email was a new price list and they had Taiyo Yuden on there for $0.44 each. Since I have been in contact with Taiyo Yuden on a weekly basis lately I knew they had to be fakes, so I contacted Taiyo Yuden last week about them and they are indeed fakes. So I recontacted the supplier in Taiwan and ask for more details they claimed they were B Grade Taiyo Yuden, yet Taiyo Yuden categorically deny it. I know who I believe.

Alexander Hanff

 

There are many Taiwanese and HK manufacturers producing 8x media currently with the TYG02 MID code, Optodisc, Princo and Infosmart being three. It is difficult to tell where these are coming from without physically inspecting them and having an eye for which factory produces what.

Of those, Optodisc media is pretty good -- comparable to Ritek/Prodisc. Infosmart not bad and Princo complete shyte. But with the 8x media firmware support coming slowly from several drive manufacturers, companies are turning to "faking" MID details in the same way as TDK/Maxell fakes for the 2x media. It's not the companies themselves as such faking the codes (they clearly sell them correctly described to distros in 9 out of 10 occasions) but what happens when they're listed on websites or labels in fairs is between the reseller and his conscience unfortunately.

To clarify, Japanese manufacturers like TY, Maxell and Mitsubishi *do not* officially sell B-grade and below media to distributors -- they have tighter QC, stamping equipment is not generally allowed to become overaged and any substandard product is destroyed -- at least it is supposed to be. Hence any "B-grade" TY media should be either fake, or stolen in some way. Of course in practice some does leak out, but in 9 out of 10 cases the media is not what the shady dealer says. In cases like Sony, Fuji and Ricoh however media does get sold under different brands as these are subcontracted in the first place, to Daxon/KDG, Prodisc and Ritek respectively, who will sell any B-grade material on (which is generally of a more than acceptable quality for the end-user).

There have been well-documented cases of HK producers "acquiring" Maxell equipment and producing low-grade media at low cost. Who knows how much of this sort of crap ends up imported into Western markets.

I do definitely agree about any Ritek media that is sold significantly below the price of Arita but claimed to be A-grade. Clearly there is something amiss, and certainly e-net were selling the "Tango" overprints as A-grade when they were overprinting the "landscape" discs, which are certainly not A-grade!!!

Having said that, Ritek is generally so compatible (note that is not necessarily the same thing as high quality) that it has to get pretty bad before the performance deficit becomes noticable -- so dealers can justify the "A-Grade" status by saying that 95% of the discs will be OK, and most end-users will be happy enough. Even so, smaller manufacturers like Postech, Prodisc and so on can produce their A-grade sometimes as cheap as these possible rejects, so may well be a better option. Unlike most people, I have no loyalty to any manufacturer; if Princo were to start making the best discs on the market, I'd buy Princo.

 

The Ritek "Water and Mountain" disc which you say is used by E-Net to produce their Tango disc is always Ritek D grade or worse. Arita complete overprint is an A grade disc which has been miss-printed for another brand (Say Ricoh or Trax) then overprinted as Arita. Arita single prints are C grade media straight off the Ritek production run but sub standard but tend to be A grade up to about 4Gb... The offical Ritek A grades are Traxdata, Ridata, Piodata(Pioneer), CloneDisc, Ricoh etc which are always 100% grade A and now their prices are much lower the crap thats being sold by some people is really getting left alone by most serious users... loads of my customers who have bought from E-net have found that the films or data they have recorded on their sub standard media have become unreadable after a few months!! Which is really helpful!

 

Mr Yang,

Just a couple of things to point out from your post. Firstly Ricoh and Piodata are not Ritek brands, Ricoh have their own MID and PioData use several different factories for their production.

Secondly, as regards Ridata in the UK at the moment, they are starting to get bad, I have noticed a lot more people questioning Ridata and not just in the UK. There have been rumours over the last month or so about RMA Ridatas being repackaged and reshipped and certainly the quality of these disks is highly questionable.

Other so called Ritek "A Grade" that users should now be wary of are Ridisc, which are again beginning to have a lot of problems and I suspect they are being brought in by E-Net although I cannot confirm that.

The disparity is obvious when you look at Genuine A Grade Ritek (again I use Traxdata as an example because I believe they are the only A Grade Riteks in the UK at the moment) prices. Traxdata are averaging around £0.60 per disk which is almost twice as expensive as these other so called A Grade disks, there is no way that Traxdata disks would not have been adjusted to compete with these other "A Grade" media if they were genuine A Grade, since they would be priced out of the market if they did not (which I am sure you can see would be a bad business decision). So far I have not heard any rumours or reports about bad traxdata, but I have heard an atonal symphony of complaints about every other ritek disk currently on the market. And just be frank about E-Net, even their G05 8x disks are absolute tosh producing PO averages on general that fall within the C Grade category at the very best.

It is good to see this thread get back on track, thanks for the posts guys.

Alexander Hanff

 

Lost a little track on some of this thread - but i 'was' a customer of Naked Geek media and had problems with them - everytime i made my issuses know alex came back with some reason as to why the media was giving me problems/coasters inthe end i got fed-up with asking reasons why that all the trouble it was taking to ay hey i got some faulty media can they be replaced was too much so i gave up. I've never bought anymore and probaly wont as the guarantee seems more hassle. I'm not a geek media person or have all the knowledge lots of peeps have on media but i do know when i get better results from a bulkpaq disc regarless of its position in the market then with a so called best meadia/ and hard work customer service - i wont go back. I also noticed that all the rave was on own media and now they are moving to a 'branded' sitiation and will be just the same as anyone else in the eyes of the Client. no i'm not going to say who i am and prove i'm a customer as there is no need. in the end i had to convice a friend to change his player as i could play some of the media on mine but not his - knowing that i was having a hard time with the media from Naked Geek Net.

Bad speeling - nm


The Client

 

And here they come again. Client I have no idea who you are, but I know you are not telling the truth as I have never had a customer services issue that has not been resolved to the full satisfaction of the customer. If I had received a complaint from you I would have recognised it based on the language issues you appear to be having and I have certainly never had a customer who has come back time and time again to be given excuses. I would have simply refunded said user once it became apparant that there was a compatability problem.

Now for the comments on my "own" media as opposed to "branded" as you say. All the media I sell is "my own media" I have media OEM'd the same as 90% of the brands out there (including verbatim, sony, memorex and just about every other big name brand you can think of). I have not switched to "branded" disks as you so put it, I have extended my range of disks to include other manufacturers to give the customers more choice.

There is no hassle with my guarantee whatsoever and yet again a supposed customer comes on here slating my product and refuses to identify themselves to check their validity. If you are a real customer (which I know not to be true as I would have been the one giving you lots of excuses as you say) then give me your details, tell me what the problem is (or even just point to an email you sent me with a date so I can check the archives) and it will be sorted out.

Now can we get back on thread please?