Is Shrink too slow?

Discussion in 'DVD Shrink forum' started by sean5775, Jan 5, 2005.

  1. dprentiss

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    I use Shrink 3.2 w/ my Lite-on 16x burner. It takes me about 30 min to burn just the movie w/ no menu's which I really like. Only takes 1 min to analyze that. my CPU usage runs at 60-100% depending on which part of the process it's on.

    Spec's:
    1.4ghz pentium M (dell D600 latitude notebook)
    80G external HD/ 20Ginternal (shrink uses external)
    1G RAM
     
  2. sean5775

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    CPU Arithmetic benchmark 7735 MIPS which is basically withing specs.

    multimedia 16048 with in specs

    Memory bandwith 1766 MB/S - This in comparason to the others seems to be low. Maybe not?

    Drive index 28 MB/s

    I basically don't understand this stuff too well, but those are the readings I got for the same tests that you did.

    Please let me know if anything looks abnormal.
     
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    sean5775, what is master & slave on both ide cables???
     
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    I have basically the same specs on my computer as dprentiss does on his and i have the same shrink 3.2 and mine is a lite-on 12x. Is it possible that i cant get speeds like in the 30-45 minute range because it isnt a 16x?
     
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    I am not exactly sure what the drives are set to. Is there a way of checking without taking it apart?

    MDINAP you should be able to get those speeds as should I. That is the purpose of this thread.

    How long does it take you?
    The fact that your burner is 12 X is basically not relavant as most of us here burn at 4X anyways.
     
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    got to open case to visually see what is on what cables & what the jumpers on rom drives set at
     
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    Ok pulling apart the case in a moment and will post what they are set at and how its all hooked up
     
  8. dprentiss

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    MDINAP - I also ran a firmware upgrade via the lite-on website. I have the 1633sx ext dvd-rw drive. Not sure what drive you have but may want to check out that site and see what (if any) firmware upgrades are instore for your drive. Most of those upgrade are for reading all types of media to write to.
     
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    Ok my burner is set to Master, and the DVD rom is set to Slave.
     
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    sean5775 - It is taking me about a minute to analyze - an hour and a half in the DVD shrink - and about an hour in DVD decrypter. Also my master/slave is set exactly the way you have yours

    dprentiss - i have the same type as you only its the 12x version not the 16x version. ANd i went to the website and i didnt see anything that i though was good? maybe im wrong though
     
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    To me this seems non relavant, but I switched the positions of my drives around, just something that I wanted to do, and now my DVD is encoding at 5200 KB/s

    Could that possibly have anything to do with it???

    They are now hooked up to different connectors inside basically what the DVD ROM was hooked to, the burner is now on and what the burner used to be hooked to the DVD ROM is now on.
     
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    And only using 50% - 60% of the CPU usage.
     
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    is cable 40 or 80 wires
     
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    Its a 40 pin IDE cable

    Just did a test. It opened disc in 42 seconds
    It encoded in 9 minutes. I did not burn, just a test.

    Now this one did not need compression. I am going to try one with compression now and see how that goes. But so far for one without compression I think im doing it in 1/3 the time it used to take.
     
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    40 & 80 wire cables use 40 pin connector so is it a 40 wire or 80 wire cable
     
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    the speed of the econding and analyzing depend a lot on memory, you want at least a 512mb of ram, PLUS, look at your settings, if you have" perform deep anaysis before encoding" ticke, you will analyze that again, which for me( i have a 512 ram) it takes about 45-50 min, and then encodes which takes about an houror so, if i un-tick that, it encodes imeediately without analyzing again at about 30 min or less, so check your settings and if your looking for speed and not quality in your dvds than untick " perform deep anaysis before encoding" and choose the picture to look sharp, which is default anyways
     
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    Ok it is a 40 Wire Cable.

    My new time for my test on TROY which I did last night as well in about 3 hours.

    Open Disc 50 Seconds
    Analyze 18 Minutes
    Encode 13 minutes


    I find it odd that the encode process took less time then analyzing.

    I am now very impressed with these times. But I still don't seem to have done anything to change this.

    I used perform deep analysis and all the high quality settings for this.
     
  18. cyberia

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    It does matter !
    Why did u think i asked yesterday if you built pc yourself ???
    The way you connect drives to each other affects performance.
    You now have the setup right and its running sweet by the looks of it !
     
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    OK, try a little test to rule out which component is slow. I don't think it's RAM or processor and even when DVDSHRINK runs, b/c if you open task manager/performance tab, you'll see physical memory used is 200 meg or less, so it's not like your swapping or paging excessively between real ram and virtual RAM.

    But anyway, do this. Startup DVDSHRINK and instead of doing the last step as a burn, save those files to a test directory on the hard drive(run it with analyze and encode). After Shrink has finished saving the files to hard drive, close it and reboot. Then, open Shrink again and instead of using the open disk button, use the open files button and point it to that directory. Let it re-encode. How fast is the re-encode Frames/sec and rate (time) from Hard drive as compared to directly from DVD? Is it significantly faster?

    If not, your CD/DVD drive you encode on is not the bottleneck? Elsewise, start looking at your IDE channel (is it only capable of ATA33 or ATA66 for CD/DVD drives)? Are you using an 80 pin IDE connector? DMA vs PIO? How old is the IDE DVD drive your encoding on? Newer firmware available for the drive? Is that IDE drive being shared with something else like a Bernoulli/JAZ drive? You might even want to consider a SCSI CD/DVD drive with a cheap bundled SCSI interface.
    Or you may have to install a PCI IDE controller that's capable of faster speeds (like the Promise Technology IDE AT133 addin controllers).

    Your also going to run into a point where they can't spin the DVD any faster to analyze and encode. It's in the DVD spec that the drives can only turn so fast. (I think they're worried about the commercial DVD disks flying apart if they spin too fast)! I do most of my Analyze/Encode and Burn in about 45-60 minutes.

    Hope this helps...
     
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    okay.... when i downloaded shrink it said there that it rips a little slow and i should use decryptor with it to make it fast.......


    okay
    when i rip it using shrink, it analizes the movie(taking 1-2 minutes) then i press backup and it encodes then burns....(usually 30-45 minutes total)

    when i use it with decryptor it does the exact same thing..... please explain what the difference is
     

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