is this a good deal?...

Discussion in 'Building a new PC' started by joselepiu, Nov 18, 2010.

  1. joselepiu

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    Specifications
    ECS A740GM-M Motherboard
    Processor Socket: AMD
    Processor Interface: Socket AM2+
    Form Factor: Micro ATX
    Processors Supported:
    AMD Phenom
    AMD Sempron
    AMD Athlon 64
    Additional Technologies: RoHS Compliant
    HyperTransport Bus: 2000 MT/s
    Northbridge: AMD 740G
    Southbridge: SB700
    Memory Type: DDR2
    Memory Supported: 400MHz DDR2
    533MHz DDR2
    667MHz DDR2
    800MHz DDR2
    Number of Pins: 240-Pin
    Number of Slots: 2
    Maximum Memory Supported: 8GB - 64bit 4GB - 32bit
    Max. Memory Supported Per Slot: 4GB
    Channels: 6 Channels
    LAN Type: 10/100 Mbps
    PS/2 Keyboard Connectors: 1
    PS/2 Mouse Connectors: 1
    Serial Communication Ports: 1
    USB Ports (Total): 10
    USB Rear Panel Ports: 4
    USB Onboard Headers: 3 - (expandable to 6 USB ports)
    LAN Ports: 1
    Audio Out Jacks: 1
    IDE Headers: 1
    Serial ATA 3.0Gb/s Headers: 6
    ATX Power Connectors: 1 24-Pin Connector
    PC Power Connectors: 1 - 4 Pin
    Fan Connectors: 2
    S/PDIF Connectors: 1
    VGA Ports: 1
    PCI Slots: 2
    PCI Express X1 Slots: 1
    PCI Express X16 Slots: 1
    Video Chipset: Integrated
    RAID Support: Yes
    RAID Modes: 10
    1
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    AMD Phenom X4 9750 Quad Core Processor
    Manufacturer: AMD
    CPU Type: Desktop
    Processor Interface: Socket AM2+
    Processor Class: Phenom X4
    Processor Speed: 2.40GHz
    Cores: Quad
    Cache Size: 128KB
    L2 Cache: 512KB
    L3 Cache: 2 MB
    Wattage: 95W

    Cooler Master Fan for AMD CPUs
    Fan Type: CPU Fan
    Fan Size: 70mm
    Socket Type: 939
    754
    940
    AM2
    AM3
    Bearing Type: 2 Ball-Bearing
    RPM: 3050 ~ 6000 RPM
    Air Flow: 29.29 ~ 41.95 CFM
    Noise Level: 28 ~ 46.5 dBA
    Heatsink Material: Aluminum
    Maximum Processors Supported: Athlon 64
    Athlon 64 FX
    Opteron
    Phenom
    AMD Phenom
    Athlon 64 X2
    Phenom II
    Athlon II
    Static Pressure: 2.346 ~ 8.308 mmH2O
    Voltage: 12 V
    Current: 0.18A (MAX)
    Connector(s): 4-Pin Motherboard
    Heatsink Dimensions: 99 x 66 x 110 mm
    Life Hours: 70,000 Hours

    Seagate Barracuda 1TB Low Power Hard Drive
    Drive Type: Internal
    Interface: SATA-3G
    Interface Type: SATA
    Spindle Speed (RPM): 5900
    Buffer Memory: 32MB
    Average Latency (msec): 5.5
    Data Transfer Rate on Serial ATA: Up to 3000 Mb/sec
    Temperature, Operating (°C): 0 to 60
    Temperature, Nonoperating (°C): -40 to 70
    Shock, Operating: 2 msec (Gs): 70J
    Shock, Nonoperating: 2 msec (Gs): 350

    PowerUp ATX Black Mid-T Case w/ 450w PSU
    120mm Fan Ports: 1
    Form Factor: ATX Mid-Tower
    Compatible Motherboards: ATX Micro ATX
    Bezel Type: LED Illuminated
    Side Panel Type: Clear
    Power Supply: 450 Watt
    Material: Steel
    Special Features: Power Supply 12v Rail: 210W
    External 5.25" Drive Bays: 4
    External 3.5" Drive Bays: 2
    Internal 3.5" Drive Bays: 4
    Expansion Slots: 7
    Front USB Ports: 2
    Front Audio Ports: 2

    Corsair 2048MB PC6400 DDR2 800MHz Memory
    Memory Category: Desktop
    Memory Type: DDR2
    Memory Speed: PC6400
    Memory Speed MHz: 800MHz
    Memory Size: 2048MB
    Total Memory Size: 2GB
    Memory Modules: 1
    Memory Channels: Dual
    Memory Socket: DIMM

    $258.84 USD

    thx...

    ps:...
    & if it is... what video card is best for it?...

    thx again...
     
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  2. sammorris

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    $260 is a lot of money to pay for a terrible motherboard, an extremely slow CPU and some RAM. That combo is probably barely worth $100.
     
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    Don't forget about a hard drive that is probably 2 years old and a power supply that I wouldn't trust to charge a cell phone...those have to add at least $10 to the value.
     
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    Oh I didnt notice the hard drive and PSU in there. The HDD is OK I would guess, but the PSU is definitely to be avoided, absolutely lethal.
     
  5. joselepiu

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    thx for ur comments... so i guess thats not a good deal... can u know if its possible to get a decent system for or @ the most $300.00 USD in the states?... thx again...
     
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    If you're after a quad core and 1TB of disk space as the 'deal' you posted has, the $400 office system takes care of that, and does a much better job:
    AMD Athlon II X4 640: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103871
    Gigabyte GA-MA74GM-S2: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128342
    2x1GB Corsair XMS2 PC6400 DDR2: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145590
    Gigabyte GZ-KF03B: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811233067
    Antec Earthwatts 380W: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371033
    Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136284
    LG GH24NS50 24x DVDRW: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136177

    Total cost: $396
     
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    any suggestions on a video card for these options... so it can be a kind of a gamer systems?...
     
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    edit: double post when I shouldn't have :p
     
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    is it for the 1st or for the 2nd option?... is the first processor good enough for a gamer system?... and is 2 gigs ram also enough?... i can make it without the hhd... i have several 500gb...
     
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    Ugh, not really. I would much rather 4GB of RAM for a gaming PC> It's not too difficult, but it does add cost, though if you can spare a drive for the system that will help. (Remember it needs to be blank to install windows to it ideally)
    The CPU in the $400 build is OK for gaming, but the dual core in the $330 is a bit on the weak side. It would do for games, but you'd be compromising performance a fair bit.
    The $400 build is $308 without the hard disk. Adding in the HD5670 that's $416, then upgrading the 2GB of RAM to 4GB like this:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145184
    is a further $27, bringing the total to $443.
     
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    thx... lets then forget about the 1st one... i just could come up with the xtra in 2 or 3 weeks... its the 2nd one a setup for what os?...
     
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    Well, PC hardware will take almost any OS you like. I recommend Windows 7 64-bit for most people, but obviously that's not included in the price here.
     
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    ok... i have a xp pro from my dead comp... ill try and save for the upgrade as fast as i can probably by xmas... lol... thx again...
     
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    IF you go with XP, you can't have more than 4GB memory total...that is including the video memory. You can have more installed; you just won't be able to use it.

    As for gaming, your budget is a bit too low to build a true gaming machine. There is a new option for people in your situation...cloud gaming. These games won't look as good as the same games being played on a high-end PC (not even as good as a xbox360), but it is really the only way you will get most modern games to play smoothly on an economy PC.
     
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    To be fair, the X4 635 with an HD5670 and 4GB of RAM would offer at least as good an experience as cloud gaming I think. It's no great gaming PC, but it's definitely a reasonable start. Of course it is well beyond the initial $300 budget.
     
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    ok here is the deal... i used my now dead comp to do basically web surfing, e-mails, youtube video watching may be some online music here and there... play some recreational poker and yahoo & msn games... i dont even have a xbox or play station none of that... i never paid much attention to that... about 2 or three weeks ago i was @ a friend house & played a game 1 of those war based ones... & i im hooked... since i need a new comp... im thinking to build a gaming 1... now im not planing to spend thousands of dollars on it... im not that hooked... yet... lol... right now i have $300 more or less... i want one (comp) that i can play games on it & on line decently... no freezing or crashing or anything like that... obviously i dont know what cloud gaming is... but im thinking i dont what that... some one told me that i could build 1 like that for around $250 or $300... now i know thats not true... but i could save up to & thats the most im willing to spend on a comp... $600 hopefully before xmas... i hope thats enough... or ill have to forget my playing ideas... im planing to buy an xbox or play station too... i dont know whats best just yet im still debating that... but i guess thats for another forum... so let set the really really very top @ that... $600... so what i think i need is this: a processor, a mother board, video card if possible 1 that i can connect to a hdtv... a power supply, memory, & a case... hard drive a have some 500gb... dvd burner i got 1 & keyboard & mouse... monitor i have an lcd 1... about an os i have a friend that have a friend that works @ the local university according to him i can get windows 7 really really cheap... if im forgetting something please let me know... i really appreciate your help... and again thx...
     
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    Good god that's a lot of ellipsis... :p

    Ok, basically, for games there are a few defining factors that decide how much you should spend on a gaming capable PC. Required performance (It must run at least this smoothly), Required graphics (e.g. I'm happy with any graphics setting as long as it runs ok, or, I want maximum quality everytime), and titles list (e.g. I don't need to run Crysis, but it does need to play Call of Duty well).
    Of course, not everybody has clearly defined requirements for this so the simplest thing to do is basically to buy whatever you can afford.
    The sad fact about PC games is that they get more demanding over time as PC hardware improves, so the more you spend, the longer it will last before it becomes increasingly difficult to play current titles.
    CPU, board, RAM, graphics card, power supply and case will do, as long as the hard drives you have can be emptied [I always recommend installing windows to a blank hard drive. If you have nowhere to move the data to on your existing drives I'd recommend buying another)
    For $600 that's not too difficult to build a reasonably decent system. All graphics cards can connect to HDTVs as long as your TV has an HDMI port [all true HDTVs will do].

    X4 955: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103808
    870A-UD3 MB: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128443
    4GB XMS3 RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145260
    XFX Radeon HD6850 GPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150505
    Antec EA-380D Green PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371033
    Antec 300 case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129042

    This is $626 and actually represents a much more powerful system than you would normally get for such money as it has been skewed in favour of graphics performance for games, and does not include a hard drive.
    If $626 is a bit too far beyond the budget though, you can swap the graphics card with:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150501
    and cut $70 off the price.
    I would still of course recommend the HD6850 as it is a good 70% faster than the HD5770, but the 5770 is still a reasonably capable card (It can achieve a respectable minimum frame rate of 32 in Call of Duty Black Ops at the highest detail level on a 1080p HDTV. Sadly, not all games are as forgiving as Call of Duty :p)
     
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    thx... but oh well... i have so many many questions... i just hope u dont get bored or tired of helping me & answering my questions... ok lets start with some thing that i notice... & pls remember that i dont know a thing about gaming systems... about the video card that u r recommending me on the specs say that the minimum is 500 watt power supply required... but u r recommending me a 380 watts one... (Antec EarthWatts Green EA-380D Green 380W Continuous power ATX12V v2.3 / EPS12V 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply)... is this gonna work?... or do i really need a bigger 1?... whats better 1 memory stick or two?... what i mean its 1 4gbs or 2 2gbs?... also i got thinking that im gonna need a remote control to play the games... right?... around how much do those run for?... what kind?... r they universal?... with 1 u can play all the games... or @ least the majority?... also what internet speed do i need to play online games?... & like i said before i want / wanted to buy a xbox or playstation too... does it make any sense?... if i have a gaming comp do i really need any of those?... or it will be better to used that money on the comp?... or will i be better off buying the xbox or playstation... i just recently discover u can play online with those too... hope u can respond & its not too much... lol... thx...
     

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