Low maximum burn speed on 16x Verbatim discs?

Hi,

I have a Liteon DVD+/-R burner. I think it is the 411s.

Anyway, I have been using it for >2 years and haven't really paid much attention to the burning speed until recently.

I have two spindles of 50 DVDs. One is -R and the other is +R both are Verbatims and both are 16x.

When I put the -R's in, it says the maximum speed is 1x in Nero and Alcohol. When I put the +R's in, it says the maximum speed is 2.7x

Like I said, they are both 16x and I made sure of this when I bought the spindles. Any clue why it's not reading correctly? I flashed the firmware long ago to FSOF when I first got it and thought it was working correctly then but that was >2 years ago so I can't recall as I haven't really used it much until lately.

Thanks for the help!

 

Try updating the firmware to the latest,
FSOK
http://forum.rpc1.org/dl_firmware.php?category=4&manufactor=17
this is for the 411S drive.

 

Thank you sir.

I will try that. But out of curiosity, why would the two disks have a record speed reading differently when they are both supposed to be 16x? Why would I not be able to still use a higher speed? I am not sure what speed the FSOF firmware supported, but I know it was higher than 1x or 2.7x

It leads me to think something else is going on.

Here is what Nero reports...





That doesn't look right to me. Shouldn't it at least say DMA enabled?

 

I see that 4X is the maximum burn speed on your setup, change that to 8X or higher, A firmware update will enable your burner to recognize newer media. I f your burner doesn't recognize a certain disk it often times won't even burn it, or burn at a very slow rate.
Try this link to enable your DMA,
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/260038
set your speed to 8X or higher,
and definitely update your firmware,
if you are using Nero, please post a Nero log here (Minus the serial number please, begins with 1C82 for version 7.X) and we'll see what els is going on around here with your burner.

 

Ok, thanks I will do the firmware. I should have pulled down the box for the picture, but 4x is the highes Write speed that I could select.

Also, I have read that thread for DMA through a couple of times but I don't understand why my Configuration is so different than his.

His has Primary and Secondary IDE channel and it is clearly showing DMA on. As you see in my Configuration picture it has nothing about Pirmary and Secondary, but it has ID0 and ID2 but nothing about DMA or PIO mode.

Thanks for the help and sorry for the newbie questions.

 

Is your Hard Drive and DVD Drive on the same ribbon cable? (Ide controller cable)
are your jumpers set to master/slave or cable select?
just bouncing ideas off you to see if anythingclicks.

 

Hard drive and DVD drive are on separate cables. There is nothing else on either one. Both the hard drive and the DVD drive are set to Master.

 

Try firmware update and get back with the results.

 

will do. It may be a few days because I'm leaving town tomorrow, but I will get back for sure with the results.

Thanks again.

 

Quite simply that's the problem. Why would you buy 16X media that's designed for the latest burners for your 4X burner?

No firmware updates will help as this media was made years after whatever FW is available and obviously there can be no Write Strategies in it for this or any 16X media.

As I recall the 411s' liked +R over -R, which seems to be the case as Nero is picking a faster speed for the +Rs. The speeds Nero is picking are just guesses as there are no write strategies available for it to use.

You might be able to get by with some 8X media or you can search for 4X media.

http://www.meritline.com/taiyo-yuden-8x-dvd-plus-r-silver-thermal.html

 

OK, first of all, the link takes me to FSOK and other downloads, but when I try to download it, I get "The page cannot be found" I have searched and searched and EVERYWHERE with the same results. It does not exist for download anywhere I've looked for some reason. Any idea why it is not even available anymore on Liteon's website?

and secondly, would 16x media not even be able to burn at 8x speed? That is crazy. I would think it would allow it to burn at any speed <16x No?

 

That you would think it does not make it so. If you were to see what's actually in FW, there are disc IDs and numbers representing the write stategies the burner should use. FW updates are usually to hone these stratagies or add new media. Seeing as the discs you bought did not exist when your FW was written there will be nothing to tell the burner or Nero what to do. Buy older, slower discs or a new burner. Also Nero InfoTool is not much use with Nvidia nforce chipsets when checking on DMA status.

Here's what FW code looks like. We have the write strategy, disc ID and the supported speeds:

DVD+R:
4d 43 43 00 00 00 00 00 30 30 31 00 00 -> [MCC 001 ] 2.4
4d 43 43 00 00 00 00 00 30 30 32 00 01 -> [MCC 002 ] 2.4 4.0
52 49 43 4f 48 4a 50 4e 52 30 30 00 00 -> [RICOHJPNR00 ] 2.4
52 49 43 4f 48 4a 50 4e 52 30 30 01 00 -> [RICOHJPNR00 ] 2.4
52 49 43 4f 48 4a 50 4e 52 30 30 02 01 -> [RICOHJPNR00 ] 2.4 4.0 6.0
52 49 43 4f 48 4a 50 4e 52 30 31 02 01 -> [RICOHJPNR01 ] 2.4 4.0 6.0
59 55 44 45 4e 30 30 30 54 30 31 00 01 -> [YUDEN000T01 ] 2.4 4.0 6.0 8.0
59 55 44 45 4e 30 30 30 54 30 31 00 01 -> [YUDEN000T01 ] 2.4 4.0 6.0 8.0
52 49 54 45 4b 00 00 00 52 30 31 01 01 -> [RITEK R01 ] 2.4
50 52 4f 44 49 53 43 00 52 30 31 00 00 -> [PRODISC R01 ] 2.4
43 4d 43 20 4d 61 67 00 52 30 31 00 01 -> [CMC Mag R01 ] 2.4
43 4d 43 20 4d 41 47 00 52 30 31 00 00 -> [CMC MAG R01 ] 2.4
42 45 41 4c 4c 20 50 30 30 30 31 00 01 -> [BEALL P0001 ] 2.4
50 52 4f 44 49 53 43 00 52 30 31 01 00 -> [PRODISC R01 ] 2.4
44 41 58 4f 4e 00 00 00 41 5a 30 00 00 -> [DAXON AZ0 ] 2.4
54 44 4b 00 00 00 00 00 30 30 31 00 01 -> [TDK 001 ] 2.4 4.0 6.0 8.0
4d 41 58 45 4c 4c 00 00 30 30 31 00 01 -> [MAXELL 001 ] 2.4 4.0 6.0 8.0
53 4f 4e 59 00 00 00 00 44 30 31 00 01 -> [SONY D01 ] 2.4 4.0
43 4d 43 20 4d 41 47 00 46 30 31 00 01 -> [CMC MAG F01 ] 2.4 4.0
42 65 41 6c 6c 30 30 30 50 34 30 00 01 -> [BeAll000P40 ] 2.4 4.0

 

Cool. Thanks for the info. I wasn't aware of that.

I just found a Verbatim DVD+RW that is 4x. I will give that a try and see if I can even burn at 4x. I will also check out your site for replacements.

 

OK, I finally found a link for the most recent firmware and upgraded it. - FSOK.

Put in a a Verbatim DVD+RW that is 4x and it still shows up as 2x being the highest burn speed.

 

Oh, I also put the 16x discs back in after the FSOK firmware flash and it still says the same (2x)

 

As drives are dirt cheap online, I'd request Santa bring you a nice new 16X drive. Litey, NEC, BenQ(1650 or 1655) But DON'T burn your DVDs any faster than 8X even on 16X media. Burn the 8Xs at 8X tho, with good media and a good burner.

 

@mason99,
You've done all that we have suggested, can't think of anything else to suggest. Ask Santa for a new toy this Christmas, Newegg.com is a great place to look for bargains, they have never let me down.

 

Well, thanks all for your help.

Strange, since my last post I have been looking into buying a new one. Of course from Newegg. I have bought almost all of my burners and hardware there in the past.

I'm looking at picking up another Liteon. The SHM-165H6S looks good to me.

Any one want to make a suggestion. I can't believe how cheap burners are now a days.

 

As is evident by reading the reviews at CDFeaks, by using the right media you can burn all day long at 16X and get great results. In certain cases you can even burn at over the rated speed and get great results. If you have to burn at a slower speed you are using the wrong media for your burner.

Here's a review which should help you decide on what's the best media choice. You'll see that there are many media choices for great 16X burns.

http://www.cdfreaks.com/reviews/Lite-On-SHM-165H6S-Super-AllWrite-DVD-Burner-Review.html

http://www.cdfreaks.com/reviews/Lit...urner-Review/DVDR_RW-Writing-performance.html